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Surfus
Mar 01, 2006, 05:09 AM
Madera Co. moves to buy water firm
By Charles McCarthy / The Fresno Bee

(Updated Wednesday, March 1, 2006, 5:30 AM)

MADERA — The Board of Supervisors opened the door Tuesday for an Oakhurst-based maintenance district to seek federal money for a future purchase of privately owned Hillview Water Co.

The board directed Madera County Resource Management Agency Director Floyd Davis to submit a preliminary application to the U.S. Department of Agriculture for an unspecified share of Rural Development funding.

"This is a shelf-ready project," said Supervisor Gary Gilbert, who represents the Oakhurst area. "This is a complete system available to go, on the ground."

The supervisors formed the district, known as Maintenance District 22-F, last July to seek eventual public ownership of Hillview. The per-parcel property tax assessment was set at zero.

The board noted that although it makes decisions for the county, the maintenance district would own and operate the water system.

"It is the district that is financially responsible, not the county," Gilbert said.

After he learned of the board's unanimous action Tuesday, Hillview President Roger Forrester said in his Oakhurst office: "I'm a willing seller, if the price is right ... $4 million plus take over the existing debt."

That would total between $5.5 million and $6 million, Forrester estimated.

Last August, dwindling water in Hillview's tanks forced Forrester to ask for voluntary cutbacks, a plea he has had to make in numerous previous summers.Customers were asked to stop all outdoor watering.

Two major wells had been deepened and new wells would be brought online. Hillview had one new well tested and ready to start pumping water last August. But it didn't have enough pipeline in place to deliver the water, Forrester said.

Without cutbacks, the Hillview system might not have enough water to keep its downtown hydrants supplied in the event of a fire.

The 2005 plea was similar to Hillview warnings since 1999 that its system was hard-pressed to supply enough summertime water to the growing community.

In July 2004, Madera County Sheriff John Anderson declared a community emergency that restricted not only outside watering but daily use of dishwashers and washing machines along with banning frequent toilet flushing.

By mid-August 2004, Forrester said, the company was pumping enough water to ease that summer's heat crisis.

The reporter can be reached at cmccarthy@fresnobee.com or (559) 675-6804.

monkey
Mar 01, 2006, 10:24 AM
I hope something good comes of this. It's awful that Oakhurst doesn't have safe drinking water, yet has to pay for it. I'm so sick of Hillview and it's owner!

AAA
Mar 02, 2006, 09:57 AM
FREEDOM FOR OAKHURST http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif
LET OAKHURST GOVERN IT'S SELF
WATER
FIRE SERVICE
POLICE ETC

Kat
Apr 06, 2006, 12:33 PM
Hi,
I'm actively looking to buy a place in Oakhurst, till I saw these Hillview water posts.
Am I k-nuts to even consider a place on Hillview water? I am/was looking at Moonray Ct, off of Spook Ln.
Anybody have some input?
Thanks,
kat http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/anxious.gif

Yosemite Joy
Apr 06, 2006, 12:57 PM
I don't think that is Hillview. I think that is Broadview water... though I am not 100%. Call the realtor or rental place and ask them. There is a difference, though slight, and both have uranium in the water during the summer months.

CatdaBrat
Apr 06, 2006, 01:04 PM
Personally, I wouldn't live within a maintenance district or subscribe to any water company, especially one with such major, serious problems. But some people feel comfortable doing stuff like that.
People need to remember that those within a maintenance district are the ones responsible for paying for the improvements, etc., so hopefully when the bills arrive, it won't be too much of a shock.

Yosemite Joy
Apr 06, 2006, 01:26 PM
With a family of three our water bill used to run about $30-45 a month. We are on a well now.

Yes, it was inconvienent to have my water undrinkable, and unusable when it came to cooking. Paying about 100 dollars a month total in water (when you include bottled and gallons of water for cooking use) was expensive and difficult.

If I were to buy a house in this area I would not buy one that I had to pay for the water plus pay for a water service. Wells can be expensive too, but at least you can get your water tested and drink it during all months of the year.

Patagoniamaniac
Apr 06, 2006, 02:26 PM
we get 75 gallons a minute..thinking about bottling it and selling it.. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/idea3.gif

oakhurstleaf
Apr 06, 2006, 03:08 PM
I feel like I'm getting ripped off majorly.

First off, this is not "our" house...we are mere renters for the time being. Didn't pick the house because we loved it, but it just happened to be the best of what was available in our price range at the time. Wasn't too concerned about the quality of water...though soon after we moved in, we had three days of brown water (flushing the pipes?) Gross. Honey, would you like to take a bath in iced tea?

Apparently, Goldside (a golfing community where barely anyone golfs) is on a well system that is of course owned and managed by Hillview (there is one lucky resident across the street from me who has their very own well). Water here does not have uranium issues like in downtown Oakhurst and nearby subdivisions which rely on the notorious reservoir.

The water here is fine. Highly mineralized...typical hard water, but safe. I don't drink it, but I cook with it and of couse everything else with it. For some reaason the water here is very valuable...it comes at a very high price.

My water bill runs around $85-95 a month...outrageous. Family of five, lots of laundry and showers, but still.

In Fullerton, we paid about $50 (maybe $70 in summer) every TWO months and this also incuded TRASH service. Here it's $69 every 3 months for just trash, which I don't mind. But the water is CRAZY and I will want our next permanent residence to not be on the Hillview system.

There are subdivisions where residents share well systems...all the water they can use, for like $20-30 a month per household. What a deal.

Kat
Apr 06, 2006, 05:58 PM
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif Yikes, well thank you for all the input. It sounds pretty dicey. I will keep looking, maybe in Coarsegold. But, geee, I did love that house!
Thanks,
Kat

Kahlua Kid
Apr 07, 2006, 04:01 AM
We used to pay about $75 a month for water in Simi Valley. But what we have to remember, is when you are on postage stamp lots, there are far more people to pay in and "share" the costs of water delivery (pipes, infrastructure, plant, etc).

We found the same thing when it came to electricity. It was about $90-110 a month in Ventura County... but here - can range anywhere from $145-250. We were shocked! Then figured it out, there are less customers for the number of power poles, lines, etc to deliver electricity here. (Seriously considering solar!)

We don't live on Hillview water. But the county making a water district is a good thing. And if the Uranium levels are high, unsafe, I would think they will be forced in the future to drill new wells. They will be held to safe water standards like any other water municipality.

But I agree, not being able to drink the water in the summer due to uranium, that you are paying for, would drive me nuts. And not to be able to water outside, or use my dishwasher? But I remember drought years down south and we could only water on certain days too.

Do they issue notices stating the uranium was at unsafe levels? (Don't the restaurants in town just go on serving water from Hillview with no signage or warnings - I've never seen one - I know some restaurants are on wells, but not all?)

California has higher standards than states back east. Supposedly there are actually other states normal water systems deliverying higher uranium parts-per-million and its not an issue there. But in California, we're more conservative and view it differently.

And yup! A well can be expensive too.

We just drilled deeper in ours due to losing water last summer... we were down to 1/8 a gallon a minute. To the tune of thousands of dollars to drill and no guarantee you'd hit a fracture with water! Its about $15 a foot to drill (and sometimes you may go down 400, 500 or even 1,000 feet) + set up fees and then on top your pump fees ($500-10,000) depending on how much water you hit, how deep, and the static line.) And your electricity bill is a bit higher, because you pump/pressure your water up.

Either way - I feel you will pay!

Yosemite Joy
Apr 07, 2006, 04:20 AM
Yep, they give out pretty notices. And yes, I believe many of the restaurants keep serving the water.

Yosemite_Wolf
Apr 07, 2006, 06:38 AM
Sheesh.. And they say YLP has expensive water! $85-95 a month is way more than YLP. We get our bill quarterly, and my bill has never been more than 300 dollars.

Newcomer
Apr 07, 2006, 04:57 PM
bill has never been more than 300 dollars.

Hey YW - doesn't 300 divided by 3 = $100 a month?

Our water bill in YLP ran about $200 for the quarter... $66 a month

Yosemite_Wolf
Apr 07, 2006, 05:39 PM
yeah.. but my usual bill is 200 or so. never 300