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beautiful_mess38
Feb 27, 2007, 03:53 AM
Tomb could be of Jesus, wife and son: directors Mon Feb 26, 1:06 PM ET



WASHINGTON (AFP) - The burial site of Jesus has been found and suggests he had a wife and son, according to highly sensitive claims in a documentary by "Titanic" director James Cameron and Israel-born Simcha Jacobovici.

The claims inject controversy into the issue of resurrection central to Christianity and, if accurate, could reignite questions about Jesus' earthy family life popularized in the book "The Da Vinci Code."

Cameron and Jacobovici, an award-winning documentary director, said their research suggested Jesus married Mary Magdalene and had a son, Judah.

"DNA analysis conducted at one of the world's foremost molecular genetics laboratories, as well as studies by leading scholars, suggest a 2,000-year-old Jerusalem tomb could have once held the remains of Jesus of Nazareth and his family," a statement from Discovery, which will broadcast the documentary, said.

The tomb was located in Talpiot, Jerusalem, March 28, 1980 by a construction crew developing an apartment complex.

Scholar L.Y. Rahmani later published "A Catalogue of Jewish Ossuaries" that described 10 ossuaries, or limestone bone boxes, found in the tomb, the Discovery statement said.

Five of the 10 discovered boxes in the Talpiot tomb were inscribed with names believed to be associated with key figures in the New Testament: Jesus, Mary, Matthew, Joseph and Mary Magdalene. A sixth inscription, written in Aramaic, translates to "Judah Son of Jesus."

"Such tombs are very typical for that region," Aaron Brody, associate professor of Bible and archaeology at the Pacific School of Religion and director of California's Bade Museum, told Discovery News.

In addition to the "Judah son of Jesus" inscription, which is written in Aramaic on one of the ossuaries, another limestone burial box is labeled in Aramaic with "Jesus Son of Joseph." Another bears the Hebrew inscription "Maria," a Latin version of "Miriam," or, in English, "Mary."

Yet another ossuary inscription, written in Hebrew, reads "Matia," the original Hebrew word for "Matthew." Only one of the inscriptions is written in Greek. It reads, "Mariamene e Mara," which can be translated as, "Mary known as the master," the television network said.

Jacobovici, director, producer and writer of "The Lost Tomb of Jesus," and his team obtained two sets of samples from the ossuaries for DNA and chemical analysis. The first set consisted of bits of matter taken from the "Jesus Son of Joseph" and "Mariamene e Mara" ossuaries. The second set consisted of patina, a chemical film encrustation on one of the limestone boxes.

The human remains were analyzed by Carney Matheson, a scientist at the Paleo-DNA Laboratory at Lakehead University in Ontario, Canada. Mitochondrial DNA examination determined the individual in the Jesus ossuary and the person in the ossuary linked to Mary Magdalene were not related.

Since tombs normally contain either blood relations or spouses, Jacobovici and his team suggest Jesus and Mary Magdalene could have been a couple. "Judah," whom they indicate may have been their son, could have been the "lad" described in the Gospel of John as sleeping in Jesus' lap at the Last Supper, they argue in their documentary.

Israeli archaeologist and professor Amos Kloner, who documented the tomb as the Jewish burial cave of a well-off family more than 10 years ago, is adamant there is no evidence to support claims that it was the burial site of Jesus.

"I'm a scholar. I do scholarly work which has nothing to do with documentary film-making. There's no way to take a religious story and to turn it into something scientific," he told AFP in a telephone interview.

"I still insist that it is a regular burial chamber from the 1st century BC," Kloner said, adding that the names were a coincidence.

"Who says that 'Maria' is Magdalena and 'Judah' is the son of Jesus? It cannot be proved. These are very popular and common names from the 1st century BC," said the academic at Israel's Bar Ilan University.

Patagoniamaniac
Feb 27, 2007, 04:23 AM
There were many people named jesus Mary and John in them days...Jesus rose from the dead in the flesh...I don't believe it! i think it's Satan once again plotting to deceive the world...

thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it...

CatdaBrat
Feb 27, 2007, 04:58 AM
Yeah that tomb could be anybody's.

On the off chance that it could belong to Jesus, I hope it can never be proven, or else it will turn into the biggest tourist attraction/marketing scheme ever. There will be entrance fees charged and merchandise for sale, such as T-shirts, posters, baseball caps, pens and pencils, shot glasses, postcards, etc.

beautiful_mess38
Feb 27, 2007, 05:07 AM
your right Cat can you imagine.

I don't think it's his either. Wonder why James Cameron thinks so.

Patagoniamaniac
Feb 27, 2007, 12:25 PM
thats not what worries me......How many souls will be lost that dont believe he rose from the dead it goes against bible principle...they could never proove it...they didnt have dna testing back then..plus...like I said..He rose on the 3rd day.....That is what I will always believe!

Kim
Mar 02, 2007, 01:42 PM
Pata, I think the amount of souls that would be lost are the same amount that didn't believe in the first place. Those who truly have their souls planted with Him will look at this with a grain of salt, and those who are willing to believe it are already not willing to believe in God.

Patagoniamaniac
Mar 03, 2007, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Kim:
Pata, I think the amount of souls that would be lost are the same amount that didn't believe in the first place. Those who truly have their souls planted with Him will look at this with a grain of salt, and those who are willing to believe it are already not willing to believe in God.

good point!...

MtnBreeze
Mar 08, 2007, 05:59 PM
So if one is to entertain any possibility other than those generally accepted in Christianity, one does not believe? I feel that each person has his own path and it is for each person to arrive at their own conclusions....therefore I reject the statement that anyone who believes that this story is feasible doesn't believe in God. None of us lived during the time of Christ. And NONE of the accounts can be "proven".

Kim
Mar 10, 2007, 03:47 AM
Well, no, none of those accounts can be proven, and that's why Christians have to go by faith. Pata was just worried that people may lose faith based on this, and I was just saying that people who strongly believe aren't in danger of that. Don't read more into this than there already is.
And, yes, some Christians believe that if it isn't written in the Bible, it isn't so. You already knew that, I suspect; Pata and I made no personal attacks here, I hope we don't receive any either.

Yosemite_Wolf
Mar 12, 2007, 01:35 PM
Just makes me wonder... what about all the other religions in the world?

Kat
Mar 13, 2007, 04:23 AM
I believe in God and Jesus, but the tomb story does not worry or upset me, maybe it is true. But that doesn't change what I know to be true. The details of how it all worked (and works) may not be clear to any of us earth bound types. Just keep the faith, whatever it may be, (lots of people are Hindus, Buddists, Muslem, they can't all be wrong?, maybe that is why there are so many religions)
I am still a good person and God loves me!

Kim
Mar 15, 2007, 04:24 AM
Originally posted by Yosemite_Wolf:
Just makes me wonder... what about all the other religions in the world?

They add variety http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Yosemite_Wolf
Mar 16, 2007, 06:25 AM
no comment!

Kim
Mar 17, 2007, 07:08 AM
Actually, philosophy was one of my favorite classes. I liked learning about all of the different religions. I think that if you're solid in your beliefs, be they Buddhism, Catholicism, Jehovah's Witness or Wiccan, you should learn about the other religions because it helps you understand so many things about others.
That's what I meant about them adding variety. You get to know a variety of different people when you're open to learning these things.

Kat
Mar 18, 2007, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Kim:
Actually, philosophy was one of my favorite classes. I liked learning about all of the different religions. I think that if you're solid in your beliefs, be they Buddhism, Catholicism, Jehovah's Witness or Wiccan, you should learn about the other religions because it helps you understand so many things about others.
That's what I meant about them adding variety. You get to know a variety of different people when you're open to learning these things.

i agree completely! People are fascinating and i love good debate/conversation about the more difficult subjects. Not because I love to argue, but because I learn so much from people's view points, especially when we are on different ends of a spectrum, I usually come away feeling more understanding and compassionate as a result.