Ed/Op in Fresno Bee (Warning: "Liberal" opinions inside)

[Yosemite Joy]

The time has come for the media to stop enabling the Bush administration. The media have pathetically failed to challenge the truth in the face of alarming evidence this president has lied to the American people many times before and after the lies about weapons of mass destruction, while breaking the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act hundreds of times.

Many notable politicians, both on the left and right, have recently mentioned the possibility of impeachment hearings. It seems awfully hypocritical that the media found it easy to hound Bill Clinton about a blue dress, yet cannot find the intestinal fortitude to go after this president for truly impeachable criminal evidence of lies, torture, the egregious breaking of international law, as an aggressor nation and circumventing established wire-tapping law and the Constitution in general. It just boggles the mind how cowardly the media, which includes The Bee, have become.

A recent non-partisan poll has the American people for impeachment at 26%, and 36% calling for impeachment hearings to get to the truth. The world is watching, and we should scream out the values that have made this country a beacon which strives for justice.

Jess Sanchez Barroso, Fresno

What an awesome point! I was so happy to read this, sometimes I feel so alone as a lowly "Liberal" in the Central Valley (and Mountains).

I need to order more magnets.

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[Kim]

A recent non-partisan poll has the American people for impeachment at 26%, and 36% calling for impeachment hearings to get to the truth
This is the hole in the dam of Jerry's argument, in my opinion. I have no reason to believe that anything resembling any kind of truth would come out of any hearings. He also ignores the fact that impeachment made NO impact on Clinton's presidency. The threat is equal to parents counting to 3 and then counting again when they get to 3. Impeachment is a waste of time.

[MadScot]

I take it you mean the impeachment hearings Clinton wasn't impeached if you get impeached you are removed from office.

McClatchy owns 29(12 daily) newspapers they have always been considered one of the most conservative newspaper chains in the country. It does raise an eyebrow that this was allowed to be printed in one of their papers. They bought the Sierra Star in 2004.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by MadScot:
I take it you mean the impeachment hearings Clinton wasn't impeached if you get impeached you are removed from office.

McClatchy owns 29(12 daily) newspapers they have always been considered one of the most conservative newspaper chains in the country. It does raise an eyebrow that this was allowed to be printed in one of their papers. They bought the Sierra Star in 2004.

LOL comical LOL


The New York Times, December 20, 1998, p. A1, col. 6

CLINTON IMPEACHED

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HE FACES A SENATE TRIAL, 2D IN HISTORY; VOWS TO DO JOB TILL TERM'S 'LAST HOUR'

By ALISON MITCHELL

WASHINGTON, Dec. 19 - William Jefferson Clinton was impeached on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice today by a divided House of Representatives, which recommended virtually along party lines that the Senate remove the nation's 42d President from office.

He was impeached.... the charges were not verified, just like Andrew Johnson .... and at the time more then 36% of the people wanted it ... but just like this article says .... you have to get it past the congress... both past Presidents made it through the process... nothing will happen again ... and Remeber .Clinton did break the law and had his Law License removed... but was not removed ... there is less here .... and just like Clinton ... if followed through will be the wrong thing ... and will be a tremendous waste of time and energy ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton

Impeachment is the process by which a legislative body formally levels charges against a high official of government. Impeachment does not necessarily mean removal from office; it comprises only a formal statement of charges, akin to an indictment in criminal law, and thus is only the first step towards possible removal. Once an individual is impeached, he or she must then face the possibility of conviction via legislative vote, which then entails the removal of the individual from office.

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by MadScot:
I take it you mean the impeachment hearings Clinton wasn't impeached if you get impeached you are removed from office.

McClatchy owns 29(12 daily) newspapers they have always been considered one of the most conservative newspaper chains in the country. It does raise an eyebrow that this was allowed to be printed in one of their papers. They bought the Sierra Star in 2004.

Well I disagree with the second paragraph as far as the Fresno Bee is concerned. They wanted Kerry to win. I believe (someone can correct me here if I am wrong, my husband already left for work) that the individual papers are allowed to choose which party they desire during voting years (and non voting years, thanks to Ahhhnold).

I believe (again correct me if I am wrong) that the Modesto Bee was "for" Bush, the Sac Bee was for Kerry. They all chose their own Yay/Nay votes for the various Propositions last year.

There is no set "You Must Be Conservative" standard for every McClatchy Paper, that would ultimetly be absurd, especially if they were to own a paper, say in a Liberal/Democratic paper route area.. who wants to read a paper that bashes their own opinions?

I read the Ed/Op everyday in the Fresno Bee, and The NY Times. Quite a few times I find myself laughing because they allow some Republican's opinions to go to print that are so absurd and ridiculous, you can plainly tell it is an inside joke of some kind.

I am not just defending McClatchy because my husband works for them, I am repeating what I know so that you can be informed.

I will work on a couple links about the ModBee/SacBee/FresBee and their different ops on the Presidential race.

[Yosemite Joy]

OK wow, I was wrong.

The Central Valley (DAILY) papers owned by McClatchy in 2004 endorsed Kerry.

Mod Bee/ Sac Bee/ Fres Bee

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/2004_Media_Endorsements

As did other McClatchy Newspapers,

Anchorage Daily News
Merced Sun-Star
Minneapolis Star Tribune
Raeliegh News and Observer
Tacoma Tribune


and several others..

This site lists the McClatchy owned Daily newspapers:

http://www.mcclatchy.com/newspapers/

and the homepage
http://www.mcclatchy.com/about/

and another list of papers in the Nation and the endorsements (or non endorsements) of the Presidential Candidates of 2004.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_...ntial_election,_2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspaper_endorsements_in_the_U.S._presidential_el ection,_2004)


Several of the newspapers are claimed to be "Liberal" ones, namely the Anchorage paper, and MN's Star Tribune.

You can say the company itself is "conservative" but I don't agree... and don't want to debate it.

[jakobscalpel]

I agree that impeachment proceedings would ultimately be a waste of time, but it sure would be fun to watch Bush squirm in the spotlight. And since I get no enjoyment out of most of our government's expenditures I'd rather it waste money on something that amuses me.

[MarkB]

I may agree with you for entertainment ... but we lost a lot of things while they played with Clinton ....

My only large statement is ... CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED ... that is the term made to bring the charges .... In Nixons case he quit before charges where brought ... so he was never impeached ..... Clinton was and deserved it ... as does Bush ... the problem now is that I never felt Clinton should have been removed for what he did ... and I know Bush will not .....

The idea is great in therory ..... but not with a House like we have now ......

And YJ ..... there are too many editors with varying opinions to say that the whole paper is one way or another in any situation .....

The Left says we have a media bias... the right says we have a media bias .... means we have neither


IMPEACHED = INDICTED

[MadScot]

Glad I could give you a laugh. I should have phrased it differently. You are correct in that the term is used both ways. Webster also defines impeachment as "to remove from office especially for misconduct" it's just symantics the phrase "Clinton was impeached" is both a true and false statement depending upon which of it's three definitions you apply. My apologies to Kim.

The point I was making is if the Senate votes to impeach they are automatically removed from office. Impeachment can have a very different outcome than it did with Clinton. You can't be pardoned once you have been removed from office via impeachment. Clinton knew they didn't have enough votes to impeach him as did Jackson. I'm sure either would have resigned if they had been told as Nixon was that the votes were going to go against them. I think it's premature to project what will happen with Bush although I consider impeachment unlikely.

As far as McClatchy goes I have not really kept up when I worked for PBS (mid 70s) we viewed them as pretty far on the right. Stories they published on the Westlands Water Distric Senate hearings we broadcasted confirmed to me their conservative slant. Since I'm not privy to inside info I can't comment on the motives of buying the liberal papers. I could be mistaken but I believe McClatchy used to own several Religious radio stations the Pacific Radio Network or something like that.

For the most part if you want to determine if a paper is conservative or liberal all you really need to do is look at the headlines on the front page.

[MarkB]

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Here Mad .... you seem to need these as well!!!!!!

[Kim]

No worries, MadScot. I knew he was impeached but not removed, which is why I compared it to an ineffective parental punishment. That's why I just don't wish to see any money wasted on impeachment proceedings. There won't be enough votes to get Bush out of office either..I'm of the "if you're gonna do it do it right" school.