A new twist on the Airman shot by the SB Sheriff...

[Average Joe]

Anybody see the video of the cop in San Bernadino shooting the passenger in a car that was pulled over for going 100 MPH? It's been on CNN and FOX all morning. That cop should go down for attempted murder. Have no idea what he was thinking.

[Average Joe]

The guy he shot was a military policeman just back from Iraq whom he shot while he was lying on the gorund.



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Deputy shoots airman back from Iraq tour

By Jeremiah Marquez
Associated Press
Published February 1, 2006


CHINO, Calif. -- A videotape released Tuesday shows a sheriff's deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force policeman who recently returned from Iraq as he appeared to obey an order to get up off the ground.

KTLA-TV broadcast a 40-second clip it said came from a Chino resident who videotaped Sunday night's shooting, which followed a 100 m.p.h. car chase.

Senior Airman Elio Carrion, 21, was listed in good condition at Arrowhead Regional Medical Center in Colton. He was shot three times in the chest, ribs and leg, his father-in-law, Ernesto Paz, told KTLA-TV.

Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that crashed into a wall following the brief chase, authorities said.

The dark, grainy videotape shows Carrion lying on the ground next to the car, talking to a silhouetted officer who is pointing a gun at him. Carrion supports himself on one arm and his face is brightly lit by the officer's flashlight.

Carrion is heard telling the officer he is unarmed and is in the military.

At one point, a voice is heard saying several times: "Get up."

Carrion says: "I'm gonna get up." As he rises, at least four shots are fired and Carrion collapses.

Investigators from the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department took the original tape, refusing to release it to the public or describe what it shows.

The deputy, whose name was not released, was placed on paid administrative leave, a routine procedure in officer-involved shootings.

Sheriff Gary Penrod said he could not comment until the investigation is completed.

Carrion was not charged with a crime, although the incident remained under investigation, according to sheriff's spokeswoman Robin Haynal.

The driver of the Corvette, identified by authorities as Luis Fernando Escobedo, 21, was arrested for investigation of felony evading.

Carrion and Escobedo had left a party at the home of Carrion's parents to drive to a store, said the airman's wife, Mariela.

A woman who answered the telephone at the Montclair home of Carrion's parents said nobody at the residence wanted to talk.

Carrion was scheduled to report on Wednesday to his unit, the 2nd Security Forces Squadron at Barksdale Air Force Base in Shreveport, La.

An Air Force spokesman, Lt. Frank Hartnett, said Carrion was a security officer at the base. Carrion joined the Air Force in January 2003 and recently returned from a six-month tour in Iraq, Hartnett said.

[beautiful_mess38]

I saw the video. Sad. They told him to stand up, he's starting to stand then he shoots him 3 times.

Shame on him.

[MadScot]

If everything here is true I don't understand why this deputy isn't under arrest right now. Him drawing even one day of pay after doing this is absurd.

[Average Joe]

I wish the guy that shot the video held on to it for a few days while the police came out saying it was justified. Do the police ever come out against their own when there isn't video tape?

[electroman]

the cop just wanted some paid time off to do some fishing. he was all out of vacation time, so he shot someone.

[concerned]

This sort of thing seems to happen in Fresno and the valley more than other locations. Why?

[beautiful_mess38]

this happened in So. Calif. San Bernardino

[laineyful]

cops definitely need to be reigned in a little...too power hungry and adrenaline junkies. Try to release adreniline buildup on innocent unarmed people too much.

[Average Joe]

Kinda makes you go, hmmmm....

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_us/airman_...MDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA-- (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060204/ap_on_re_us/airman_shooting;_ylt=AtM2VpKlXhPn.e5qGmzo6VNvzwcF; _ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--)



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Man Who Taped Airman Shooting Arrested

SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. - A man who videotaped a sheriff's deputy shooting an unarmed Air Force security officer was arrested Friday for an alleged assault in Florida, officials said.

Jose Luis Valdes was taken into custody by Pomona police on a warrant for aggravated assault with a firearm from Miami-Dade County, Fla. The warrant came up during a routine background check when Valdes went to an immigration office, police said.

Valdes, contacted by cell phone, confirmed he had been arrested but said the only problem he had in Miami was an arrest for driving under the influence. He did not elaborate about that arrest, but said authorities wanted to send him back to Florida within 24 hours.

"They want to get me out of California as soon as possible," Valdes said in Spanish. "They say I was involved in gunfire in Miami."

The airman's shooting happened in Chino, about 40 miles east of Los Angeles. Elio Carrion was a passenger in a Corvette that was involved in a brief high-speed chase and crashed into a wall, authorities said.

Valdes' tape showed Carrion on the ground talking with San Bernardino County sheriff's Deputy Ivory J. Webb, who stood pointing a gun at him. A recorded voice appeared to be commanding Carrion to "get up." As Carrion began to rise, the deputy fired three shots into him.

Carrion, 21, who recently returned from Iraq, was shot three times and was hospitalized in good condition.

Webb, 45, who has more than 10 years with the department, was placed on paid administrative leave.

The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation of the shooting but Carrion's family said Friday that more must be done. Members gathered outside sheriff's headquarters and demanded the deputy's arrest.

"My family is outraged because this person hasn't been arrested and is on paid vacation," Carrion's wife, Mariela, said at a news conference.

[John @ 3300ft.]

The Deputy needs to be fired for being such a lousy shot...
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[Summer]

The Deputy needs to be fired for being such a lousy shot...
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[Average Joe]

Originally posted by John @ 3300ft.:
The Deputy needs to be fired for being such a lousy shot...
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif Please share with us why you feel that way. curious minds want to know, so please do share. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/smoking.gif

[Average Joe]

A cop needs to be held to a much higher standard of conduct than a civilian:
-he is specially trained to deal with stressful cituations
-the civilian is NOT, such are "unusual" for him
-he has way more authority to use violence than the civilian
-the civilian cannot even defend himself against an abusive cop
-he has a lot of privilage not allocated to the civilian
-power tends to corrupt and he has a lot of power
-he is protected by the codeo of silence.
-the civilian has no such protction in his job

I find it very hard to justify shooting the passenger even once, to squeeze off 3 rounds is inexcusable.

Clearly the cop was not behaving in a professional way as he was repeatedly cursing, yelling and shooting; it was just a traffic stop for christ's sake, WTF.

I cannot see how that cop can justify such abuse of the civilian, period. The shooting was not accidentall, it was intentional, period.
Even if the passenger wasn't obeying "orders", I hardly see that as being a eason to off him. And who was the one under stress, the poor cop, or the civilian on the ground with a gun pointed at him with the holder shouting and cursing him, WTF here...

A few questions come to mind:
-Why wasn't the camera rolling in the cop car?
-Why was the passenger on the ground at gun point?
-Could it be he gave some lip to the cop, which pizzed him off?
-Why did the cop squeeze off three rounds?
-Why was he still yelling at the passenger (or driver)?
-Was he exhibiting an appropriate level of control and professional conduct?
-What is the version from: the cop, the driver, the passenger, the dude with the camera?

[electroman]

The cop needs a serious 'time out'. Not a few weeks PAID ADMINISTRATIVE LEAVE, that's BS, that's rewarding him for his actions. I'm thinking he needs 15 to 20 in orange.
I know a guy who has served 9 years already, with two more to go for 'improper use of a firearm'. He was drunk and POINTED a gun at a guy. Eleven years... I'm pretty sure he won't do THAT again. What about the cop gettin' some extra vacation time for pluggin a dude in the dirt? I'm not seeing any real deterrent for him OR his buddies.

[John @ 3300ft.]

I didn't mean to suggest that what the Deputy did was right or justified in any way...

I was just spewing politically incorrect humor that I see in the story. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sick.gif

It's a good thing the cop was a lousy shot, or that guy wouldn't be able to spend the million$ he will deservingly get.

[Summer]

OH, I think I get it now John. It just didn't come off the way you meant it. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif