Let her live or let her die?

[beautiful_mess38]

[TOT]

Actually, i wish we could (would) poll patients at hospices in similar conditions with the ability to respond.

Ask them what they would prefer, and what they think they would prefer if in her exact situation.

[MtnBreeze]

I don't know the answer but the govt surely shouldn't be intervening. One has to ask themselves if it shouldn't be left up to the powers that be? Life support really should only be a short term option in order for a person to become well.... In this case doctors have said there isn't really a chance for her to become well and 15 years is quite a lengthy time to spend vegetating. Name any advantage to continuing life support. She may wake up some day? Then what?
I wonder how the govt can become so involved in one woman when countless people (many children)
are suffering for many reasons in all parts of the world.
I don't mean to sound harsh but there is something to be said for QUALITY of life....vegetating is not living. And even if she did "wake up" she would still be vegetating so to speak. Miracles happen...so if one is to happen here. Let her be and let what will be...be.

[Goddesschyyld]

I don't understand why Terri's husband feels so strongly about having her dead. I'm sure it's a money issue.

I'm glad I don't have to be in the position the parents, husband or gov't is in.

This situation did point out something to me; I want a DNR - Do Not Resuscitate order. I wouldn't want to live in a vegetative or semi-vegetative state.

[Mysteefied]

I heard that the parents have been trying fighting her husband for...well, I guess like custody, I think if he doesn't have the heart to take care of her anymore, then he should let the parents do it. I personally think it would be very trying and am not sure how they feel she'll get better, when its already been so long, But I also dont see the point in taking her only form of nourishment and starving her to death. Glad I don't have to make the desicion.

[Raider]

Originally posted by Goddesschyyld:
I don't understand why Terri's husband feels so strongly about having her dead. I'm sure it's a money issue.

I'm glad I don't have to be in the position the parents, husband or gov't is in.

This situation did point out something to me; I want a DNR - Do Not Resuscitate order. I wouldn't want to live in a vegetative or semi-vegetative state. It's not about the money, it's that the husband is "allegedly" only trying to carry out his wife's whishes, at least that's his story. If that was what my wife wanted me to do then I'd be fighting to carry out those whishes too.

[TOT]

Apparently there are more complicated issues with this case as far as the husband goes.

I would tend to agree more with Mtn. Breeze on this matter, and in fact, do, but not because of the husband.

He's more than a little fishy on this matter if you ask me.

[Raider]

It seems very simple to me. Michael Schaivo has the right to go on with his life if that's what he wants, but why not give the custody of his wife;s care to her parents? Is he really only carrying out her whishes? In any case, Terry Schiavo is severely brain damaged, not brain dead. Big difference. To starve her to death is 100% wrong. She's not in pain and her parents want to care for her. They should be given that right. Also, her therapies were discontinued years ago. (Why?) So of course she has deteriorated.
Despite what her husband says about her not wanting to live this way, there was no living will so under the law, if she is not unduly suffering, she should be cared for by who wants to even if someone else doesn't agree. I have a feeling that this case will be a milestone in changing right to life and living will laws. Just my opinion.

[LindaBo]

besides GOD* http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/eusa_dance.gif i think her parents should http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/stretch.gif Not the courts or any one else! UNLESS she gave a written statement with her singnature on it stateing her wishes. This made me think http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/anxious.gif i need to put in writeing what i want done with me also, i don,t trust my kids! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/doh.gif I would hate to be in that state. You all heard it here and now* http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/stretch.gif

[beautiful_mess38]

I agree with Raider on this one. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/surprised.gif

Her husband has already gone on with his life. If her parents want to take care of her, why shouldn't they. Let them.
Starving her to death is cruel.

Look at it this way; would society let the govt. kill a criminal this way?

[mtnspirit]

This case taught my family truth!

I have (because of this) written a living will! Called all 9 sibblings and talked to my 2 daughters, my dad~! You have only 5 days! If I live, I live! If it is the Great Spirits choice I go! No Resucuction! sorry spelling!

I am thankful that I have left no questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There is no one but me making decisions!

[Dodgergirl]

But didn't the husband turn down an incredible sum of money to turn over 'custody' to the parents?
I've talked to jack about things I haven't talked about with my mom or dad, so I can understand his point somewhat.
I don't know, but I guess having to make the decision to turn off life support on my nephew has given me a different view on the matter.
My sister would still have him on those machines, one to warm & pump blood, one to clean everything, one to make him 'breathe', etc...
I had custody for a few years, so the decision was mine, and I don't regret , or second guess my decision. He didn't have a brain left.
Terri's fate should be in the hands of the one she most trusted, and if that was her husband, then so be it.
I DO NOT agree with starving her to death, that is cruel & inhumane.I think her parents are hanging onto a dream of what could have been & are in so deep they can't let go. I do not believe her husband has thrown in the towel, i think he might genuinely believe his wife deserves better.
And, I do agree with TOT, a way to 'poll' terminal patients would be interesting, but then, we are not all statistics.
BUT, then if it were MY Daughter..........

[Kahlua Kid]

I've now seen my Grandmother - who put in her living will "if my quality of life is jeopardized, then I do not want to be on life support"... my uncle was the Power-of-Attorney and decided since she had Alzheimer's at the time, that when she had a heart attack, they were not to do anything for her... I disagreed with his assessment. She could still walk, talk, hold a conversation... That night was terrible at the hospital and I will never forgive him. Leave nothing to interpretation. Who's to judge quality of life? But, you can look at it as I did later on - it was God's will to take her that night - for her to have a heart attack at the hospital.

My father-in-law just passed away recently - he was on life support for a few days - his living will said he didn't want it. As hard as it was for my mother-in-law, his will was done and he soon passed a few days later.

This is a very hard choice I'm sure for any family to make. 15 years is a very long time to lay on life support.

I'm too young right now to say I wouldn't want the same thing - to hold on to hope that I'd wake up and be fine... I know that's terrible - but where I am right now -

But unselfishly, I'd hate to keep my family and husband holding out hope forever, they have to get on with their lives and I wouldn't want to financially bankrupt them trying to keep me alive on machines.

What a terrible dilemma for them to face.

I'm still undecided - but I know I need to put my wishes in writing also to help save my family from this type of situation.

I disagree that Congress should be holding a "special" session to discuss this situation.

Not to get political here - but I believe that's all political posturing for the Republican party - Bush and Religion. While I am Republican (but more in the middle as both parties have things I believe in and those I disagree with!), believe in God, I think that this is being used to "help" their political positioning.

[Coldwolf]

I've been following the Schiavo case for years now, monitoring right-wing and far-out conspiracy websites that have long been morbidly obsessed with keeping this living-dead woman's heart beating, and sliming her husband with the most absurd and implausible innuendo. That anti-choice terrorist Randall Terry is one of the figures spearheading this operation should tell you something about their ethics.

Watching congressional Republicans shamelessly insert themselves into this unseemly and interminable carnival of grotesques should serve as an eye-opening indicator of how politics has usurped governance at the highest levels in America. The radiant hypocrisy simply underscores this tragic truth.

Are the Republicans who jetted back to Washington this weekend "to save Terri" not the same politicians who recently voted as a rock-solid bloc to gut the Medicaid funding that helps pay for catastrophic medical costs incurred by the unfortunate thousands who find themselves in a similar situation? Did they not overwhelmingly pass a devastating bankruptcy bill that will make it impossible for families who lose their life savings through no fault of their own to ever get back on their feet? Have they not vowed to enact tort reform that would wipe out the exact same kind of malpractice claims that have thus far kept Terri Schiavo alive?


On the 17th, Preznit Dubya made the unprecedented move of cutting short one of his many vacations to return to Washington where he signed "emergency legislation" to bring Terri's case before a federal court. Meanwhile, back in Texas, six-month-old Sun Hudson was removed from life support against the wishes of his mother. It was the first time in United States history that a court has allowed life-sustaining treatment to be withdrawn from a pediatric patient over the objections of the child's parent. The law that made this possible was the Texas Futile Care Law, which gives hospitals the right to pull the plug on a patient "with no hope of survival" and (important, this) who cannot pay. This law was signed into existence in 1999, by then governor George Dubya Bush.

Sun Hudson's skin is black. Terri Schiavo's skin is, as repeatedly implied by the Preznit, "American color." I sincerely hopes this doesn't turn out to be the only explanation for the bizarre, ritualistic spectacle currently unfolding in Washington.

[Michelle]

Okay , this is my outlook on it. she has been in this stage for over 10 years. she cant eat on her own she can't drink on her own. so she has a feeding tube. it is hard to choose which way to go for her parents and her husband. Okay her husband has gone on with his life what is that? When i heard that it did make me mad only becuase HE IS STILL MARRIED TO HER!!!!!!! and now he is living with a another lady and fathered two children. He should loose all his rights to her. Even when someone is in a stage of what she is in you should still stay faithful. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH GOING ON WITH THERE LIFE. if you want to go on with your life then let her parents take care of her and divorce her. that is how it should go... My husband does not want to be left on life support or anything like that and no we have nothing on paper and i stress to him that it has to be on paper for me to carry his wishes out and let me tell you it would be the hardest thing for me to do but I am a true believer that as a spouse you are to carry out there wishes... But in doing that you should stay faithful in your marriage no matter what stage that person is in. your life should be caring for her and by her side and if it is fighting for her life to end then do it not father kids and live with another lady.... you should loose the rights if you do that........if her parents choose to keep her alive and when she does pass and then her parents she will deal with her parents at that time...

[Mibrew]

I dont want the goverment involved in family issues, but its not always Bush's decision or fault everytime something goes wrong in this world...., it would be real hard to be presented a bill to extend a life and not give the extra time for the families to decide between them, even if they cant decide, it gave them another opportunity to save her life.


"This is a complex case with serious issues," Bush said. "But in extraordinary circumstances like this, it is wise to always err on the side of life."

President Bush signed the bill into law early Monday, shortly after it cleared the House of Representatives by a 203-58 vote. The Senate passed the legislation by voice vote Sunday.

The unprecedented move transferred jurisdiction in the case to a federal judge for review.

Schiavo's husband and guardian, Michael, has said his wife would not want to continue living in a persistent vegetative state -- which court-appointed doctors have determined her condition is.

Her parents and siblings dispute that diagnosis, opposing her husband's efforts to have the feeding tube removed.

Bush told an audience in Tucson, Arizona, on Monday that the legislation gives Schiavo's parents "another opportunity to save their daughter's life."

[beautiful_mess38]

The Federal Court decided to let her starve to death. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/sad420.gif
Her Doctors give her 2 weeks.

Her family is gong to continue to fight for her life.

[Mysteefied]

This is what I found, thought it might be of interested to some of you...

http://sircarl.homestead.com/files/Schiavo_tube2.gif

[CatdaBrat]

I think in my own case, I wouldn't want to have a DNR form, because I keep thinking of all the cases I have heard about where doctors believe there is no hope for the patient and after a while they get better.
I wouldn't want the life support to be removed too soon. Does a DNR mean that if you were in an accident (or any other trauma) and brought to an emergency room, they wouldn't be allowed to administer any life-support procedures, even if they were just "temporary" and your prognosis was fairly good? Or are these legal documents more flexible and specific?

[frmmts2sea]

I would wait for a while at least. As long as she is NOT on life support & only needs food, what the H3ck does her husband care if her family wants to take care of her

[frmmts2sea]

I would wait for a while at least. As long as she is NOT on life support & only needs food, what the H3ck does her husband care if her family wants to take care of her

[Newcomer]

Here is my view on this. I understand the husbands view of giving his wife what she wanted. But to say take her off her feeding tube and let her die with dignity? %$#$% Starvation is not dying with dignity. Starvation takes time and is a painful experience.

Here is some of what she would go through.

Metabolic rate is decreased. Weight loss may reach 50% of normal. Loss of organ weight is greatest in the liver and intestine, moderate in the heart and kidneys, and least in the nervous system. Emaciation is most obvious in areas where prominent fat depots normally exist. Muscle mass shrinks and bones protrude. The skin becomes thin, dry, inelastic, pale, and cold. The hair is dry and sparse and falls out easily.

Most body systems are affected. Achlorhydria and diarrhea are common. Heart size and cardiac output are reduced; the pulse slows and blood pressure falls. Respiratory rate and vital capacity decrease. A hollowness appears because of muscle destruction and, eventually, is worsened by cardiorespiratory failure. The anemia is usually mild, normochromic, and normocytic. Reduction in body temperature frequently contributes to death.

Does this sound like a dignified way to die to you?

There must be another way.

[LindaBo]

Newcomer* Thats terrible! I would rather be Shot or run over buy a truck! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/worried.gif I,m going to make sure EVERY One in my FAMILY KNOWS MY WISHES* oR I WELL FRICKEN Haunt them! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/rant420.gif God where are you?

[Yosemite_Wolf]

dignity..... going out hooked up to a Morphine Drip! stopping the feeding is inhumane, just give me lots of good morphine... and let me go http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/stretch.gif. But thats an individual wish... as is everyone elses...

[Keith]

LET HER DIE NATURALY,
I have gone threw this...
My X pasted away over a 3 month period. I watched the changes and felt the emotions..
Cancer took my beloved, Quickly, we went threw therapy, went threw dialiosis, we went threw organ shut down, one by one.
All I Can say from my own heart is that once you've pasted threw that point of no return, keeping someone alive, if it's just being done for those who live ,it's time to let go.

Terri will feel no pain, mother nature takes hold and you fall into a sleep, than deeper, slower heart beats untill the final one. Besides mother nature , the care givers are instructed to administer pain meds at whatever the doctor deems needed.

I do believe in letting her go , but I wish her so called husband would divorce her and give her to her family so that they may have the last days of her life with them , as a family unit, instead of being used as a game piece by her S H I T Head husband.

[Michelle]

I agree with keith.
Like i said before I think her only by name HUSBAND needs to divorce her and give her to her family.
But when she does go I would like to see if he does give the rest of the money to charity...

I have to respect for him though..none what so ever... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/rant420.gif

[Mibrew]

Ive heard some strange things lately about the husband, so I agree give the rights to her family, and divorce her...

[Michelle]

Yes, and I think we are going to hear more and more strange things about him for some reason...

[Mibrew]

HERE'S SOME STUFF ON THE BAD HUSBAND....

Michael Schiavo's former girlfriend speaks: Excerpts From Cynthia Shook's Deposition given in fear.

This is the story of "Cindy," and the deposition that she had to be forced to give, out of her fear of Michael Schiavo. Terri was also afraid of Michael, but of course Michael has been hard at work to make sure that she can't give a deposition as Cindy has!

In late 1991, 1½ years after Terri’s collapse, Michael Schiavo became involved in an intimate relationship with Cindy Shook. The romance continued for approximately one year. It can be documented that the two spent a weekend at the Don Caesar hotel in St. Petersburg Beach and they also contacted a Century 21 Realtor on the premise of purchasing a home.

In May of 1992, at the apex of the romance, Schiavo had Terri’s 2 pet cats euthanized to clear the way for his moving in with Cindy and her pet dog.

In the summer of 1992, Schiavo moved into his parent’s home. We can speculate with reasonable accuracy, it was at the instructions of his attorney, since the living arrangement would be contrary to Schiavo’s "loving husband" image they were projecting for the upcoming November 1992 malpractice trial.

In April 2001, Cindy Shook (married name Brasher) was interviewed by an investigator working in Terri’s behalf. Unwilling to come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, Cindy had to be subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, 2001 to try and learn more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael Schiavo’s character traits.

Excerpts; May 8, 2001 Deposition:

Cindy Shook describing Schiavo’s possessiveness.

"he’s very jealous. He stalked me at my…at where I worked after I stopped dating…when he would get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly mean person"

When asked if she were afraid that Michael would physically harm her or if he would harm children.

"I am concerned about retaliation because I have a child -I have children and a husband. I know him, I know what he told me I said he could be a very mean person."

She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a year after the breakup and that she received repeated phone calls.

"He came on the floor looking for me several times. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he would come up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time but later was scared.

In town I would look up when I was driving…not at my work- she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael Schiavo. I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic. It continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She would change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this about ten times.

One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right on top of where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous and guessed potentially life threatening."

Cindy thought about getting a restraining order. She talked to an off duty police officer in her building

They discussed marriage. She said Schiavo asked what would you do if I asked you to marry me. He never discussed getting a divorce.

Cindy said Schiavo got angry when asked questions about Terri saying:

"this had destroyed his life and he was being robed of a normal life."

Regarding Terri’s care, according to Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said,

"How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this."

THEY NEVER SPOKE OF THIS! Yet now Michael claims that Terri's wish was to die of starvation and dehydration, and the infamous Judge George Greer rubber stamps it. Why?

A case for Criminal Investigation of Michael Schiavo:


1) Nurses’ testimony: Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson have been ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified that Michael was abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

2) Michael Baden, top forensic pathologist in country and interviewed on Fox News National Television broadcast October 25, 2003 on Terri’s bone scan and injuries states that:

a) Terri’s injuries are not consistent with a heart attack; no cardiac evidence to support it
b) Extremely rare for potassium imbalance on woman her age and in her good health
c) Injuries are consistent with severe trauma possibly caused by a beating
d) The injuries in medical records warrant an immediate investigation

3) Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist testified that Terri’s neck injuries are consistent with only one type of injury: that of strangulation.

4) Terri’s doctor, Dr. Gambone resigned; he had previously testified Terri would die within a few days of starvation/dehydration. Terri has an obvious will to live.

5) Michael has enlisted the services of a new doctor, Stanton Tripodis, who has 5 malpractice suits against him. Clearly, Michael is attempting to provide sub-standard care for his wife.

Case no. 97007946C1 filed 11-25-97
Case no. 94003739C1 filed 6-27-94
Case no. 95000873C1 filed 2-14-95
Case no. 96001434C1 filed 3-6-96
Case no. 98002289C1 filed 4-7-98

6) Michael is committing adultery by living with another woman who has already born one child with another on the way, thereby creating an obvious conflict of interest as guardian.

7) Michael has committed both perjury (2 counts) and insurance fraud by promising to provide care and therapy for his wife in exchange for the court award of 1.2 million dollars in 1993. No care has ever been provided to Terri.

8) Michael Schiavo has also prevented Terri from undergoing a barium swallow test, a procedure necessary to ascertain the consistency of foods able to be taken by mouth.

9) Co-conspirator George J. Felos combined and conspired with Michael Schiavo to arrange for Terri's "free" stay at Hospice Woodside as part of an "exit protocol" designed to advance Felos' self-perceived messianic mission of "helping" incapacitated people to die by categorizing them as "terminal," warehousing them, and depriving them of therapy and rehabilitation services. (Attorney Felos is Director of Florida Right to Die and has testified that he can ascertain a person’s desire to die by “looking into their eyes and letting their spirit speak directly to himâ€�)

10) Investigate Insurance company established in Jan 2001 at the home of Michael Schiavo and his girlfriend/fiancee Jody Centonze. (Jerger and Centonze Insurnace Agency Inc.) Michael is listed on the Board of Directors for the corporation. Note: Insurance is deliberately misspelled in the State of Florida Corporate filing, possibly to avoid investigation.

11) Michael continues to deny Terri the right to receive Holy Communion as part of her Catholic and civil right.

[Mibrew]

HERE'S SOME STUFF ON THE BAD HUSBAND....

Michael Schiavo's former girlfriend speaks: Excerpts From Cynthia Shook's Deposition given in fear.

This is the story of "Cindy," and the deposition that she had to be forced to give, out of her fear of Michael Schiavo. Terri was also afraid of Michael, but of course Michael has been hard at work to make sure that she can't give a deposition as Cindy has!

In late 1991, 1½ years after Terri’s collapse, Michael Schiavo became involved in an intimate relationship with Cindy Shook. The romance continued for approximately one year. It can be documented that the two spent a weekend at the Don Caesar hotel in St. Petersburg Beach and they also contacted a Century 21 Realtor on the premise of purchasing a home.

In May of 1992, at the apex of the romance, Schiavo had Terri’s 2 pet cats euthanized to clear the way for his moving in with Cindy and her pet dog.

In the summer of 1992, Schiavo moved into his parent’s home. We can speculate with reasonable accuracy, it was at the instructions of his attorney, since the living arrangement would be contrary to Schiavo’s "loving husband" image they were projecting for the upcoming November 1992 malpractice trial.

In April 2001, Cindy Shook (married name Brasher) was interviewed by an investigator working in Terri’s behalf. Unwilling to come forward because of her immense fear of Schiavo, Cindy had to be subpoenaed and was then subsequently deposed on May 8, 2001 to try and learn more regarding her intimate knowledge of Michael Schiavo’s character traits.

Excerpts; May 8, 2001 Deposition:

Cindy Shook describing Schiavo’s possessiveness.

"he’s very jealous. He stalked me at my…at where I worked after I stopped dating…when he would get mad at me he would tell me, I would rather be laying in bed in the nursing home with her than with you. I mean he can be the most incredibly mean person"

When asked if she were afraid that Michael would physically harm her or if he would harm children.

"I am concerned about retaliation because I have a child -I have children and a husband. I know him, I know what he told me I said he could be a very mean person."

She spoke of how Schiavo stalked her for close to a year after the breakup and that she received repeated phone calls.

"He came on the floor looking for me several times. I felt it was out of character for him to get a job as an orderly at the hospital That was concerning to me. When he would come up to the floor looking for her she was not scared the first time but later was scared.

In town I would look up when I was driving…not at my work- she would look up in the rear view mirror and there would be Michael Schiavo. I would look up and he would be behind me in traffic. It continued for several months after he didn’t work at the hospital. She would change lanes, try to make a turn and he would do the same. He did this about ten times.

One time he was behind me in traffic he got next to me in a two-lane going the same way, and he changed lanes basically right on top of where I was at, and I had to swerve not to be hit. I had to swerve off the road. Michael ran me off the road. I considered it as stalking, dangerous and guessed potentially life threatening."

Cindy thought about getting a restraining order. She talked to an off duty police officer in her building

They discussed marriage. She said Schiavo asked what would you do if I asked you to marry me. He never discussed getting a divorce.

Cindy said Schiavo got angry when asked questions about Terri saying:

"this had destroyed his life and he was being robed of a normal life."

Regarding Terri’s care, according to Cindy Shook, Michael Schiavo said,

"How the hell should I know we never spoke about this, my God I was only 25 years old. How the hell should I know? We were young. We never spoke of this."

THEY NEVER SPOKE OF THIS! Yet now Michael claims that Terri's wish was to die of starvation and dehydration, and the infamous Judge George Greer rubber stamps it. Why?

A case for Criminal Investigation of Michael Schiavo:


1) Nurses’ testimony: Heidi Law, Carla Sauer-Iyer, Carolyn Johnson have been ignored and dismissed without hearing; each testified that Michael was abusive to Terri and may have attempted to kill her by insulin injection and attempts to induce pneumonia by turning the thermostat in her room to 64 degrees.

2) Michael Baden, top forensic pathologist in country and interviewed on Fox News National Television broadcast October 25, 2003 on Terri’s bone scan and injuries states that:

a) Terri’s injuries are not consistent with a heart attack; no cardiac evidence to support it
b) Extremely rare for potassium imbalance on woman her age and in her good health
c) Injuries are consistent with severe trauma possibly caused by a beating
d) The injuries in medical records warrant an immediate investigation

3) Dr. William Hammesfahr, Nobel prize nominee and neurologist testified that Terri’s neck injuries are consistent with only one type of injury: that of strangulation.

4) Terri’s doctor, Dr. Gambone resigned; he had previously testified Terri would die within a few days of starvation/dehydration. Terri has an obvious will to live.

5) Michael has enlisted the services of a new doctor, Stanton Tripodis, who has 5 malpractice suits against him. Clearly, Michael is attempting to provide sub-standard care for his wife.

Case no. 97007946C1 filed 11-25-97
Case no. 94003739C1 filed 6-27-94
Case no. 95000873C1 filed 2-14-95
Case no. 96001434C1 filed 3-6-96
Case no. 98002289C1 filed 4-7-98

6) Michael is committing adultery by living with another woman who has already born one child with another on the way, thereby creating an obvious conflict of interest as guardian.

7) Michael has committed both perjury (2 counts) and insurance fraud by promising to provide care and therapy for his wife in exchange for the court award of 1.2 million dollars in 1993. No care has ever been provided to Terri.

8) Michael Schiavo has also prevented Terri from undergoing a barium swallow test, a procedure necessary to ascertain the consistency of foods able to be taken by mouth.

9) Co-conspirator George J. Felos combined and conspired with Michael Schiavo to arrange for Terri's "free" stay at Hospice Woodside as part of an "exit protocol" designed to advance Felos' self-perceived messianic mission of "helping" incapacitated people to die by categorizing them as "terminal," warehousing them, and depriving them of therapy and rehabilitation services. (Attorney Felos is Director of Florida Right to Die and has testified that he can ascertain a person’s desire to die by “looking into their eyes and letting their spirit speak directly to himâ€�)

10) Investigate Insurance company established in Jan 2001 at the home of Michael Schiavo and his girlfriend/fiancee Jody Centonze. (Jerger and Centonze Insurnace Agency Inc.) Michael is listed on the Board of Directors for the corporation. Note: Insurance is deliberately misspelled in the State of Florida Corporate filing, possibly to avoid investigation.

11) Michael continues to deny Terri the right to receive Holy Communion as part of her Catholic and civil right.

[Coldwolf]

Not my view, just tossing out another "think about this"..


"The cynical use by the US Republican Party of the Terri Schiavo case repeats, whether deliberately or accidentally, the tactics of Muslim fundamentalists and theocrats in places like Egypt and Pakistan. These tactics involve a disturbing tendency to make private, intimate decisions matters of public interest and then to bring the courts and the legislature to bear on them. President George W. Bush and Republican congressional leaders like Tom Delay have taken us one step closer to theocracy on the Muslim Brotherhood model."

- Professor Juan Cole points out some ominous parallels.

[Keith]

Mibrew ,
You sure shed some light on Terri's Husband Michael Schiavo, I always thought that he was a control freek , but now I feel he truly is Evil.

ColdWolf,
As much as I love to debate with you, I must say I'm with you on this one. Way to much Government, way to much Politicians and to many Attorneys. It would be so simple if Michael Schiavo would just have a second of Love left for Terri and return her to her Family, where she will get the Love and Devotion lacking from him.

[Dodgergirl]

With these new facts, my opinion is meandering in the other direction.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

And where do these facts come from Mibrew? Ppl will say and do anything to get into the press.
I believe this whole thing has gone WAY WAY WAY too far.. the feds SHOULD NOT be in on this.. and what the heck does a judge and congress know about all this. WRONG! I say... tell the husband to back off.. divorce the wife.. the family needs to realise that their daughter is not who their daughter once was. I have worked as a RN with these types of patients.. the patients can never truly totally return back to what they were. Esp after 15 yrs in a coma.. you are going to have so many medical problems even if you do come out of the coma with your brain relatively
normal. After 15 yrs in a coma, one is gonna have foot drop so bad that walking will never be possible. Just think of it this way.. would you like to live this way? I wouldnt.. and its just that: Personal opinion! but the main point of my comment here is this: LIVING WILLS and ADVANCE DIRECTIVES! if terry and michael had gone to a lawyer and set up a living will... before her supposed accident, her wishes would be stated clearly, thus the citizens of the United States would be spared the expense of taking this to the feds.

i have spoken.

[Mibrew]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Yosemite_Wolf:
And where do these facts come from Mibrew?

Darn I thought I posted that..itposted in lots of news sources, this one is called Christian Communication Network...heres more


LOS ANGELES, March 20 /Christian Wire Service/ -- Statement from Carole Lieberman, M.D. a Board Certified Psychiatrist on the Clinical Faculty of UCLA, regarding Terri Schindler Schiavo:

"As Terri Schiavo starves to death, it is time to alert more lawmakers to the truth: the wrong person is being 'punished' for Terri Schiavo's current state," says Carole Lieberman, M.D. a Board Certified Psychiatrist on the Clinical Faculty of UCLA. Having interviewed Terri's father on her radio show ("Dr. Carole's Couch" on voiceamerica.com), Dr. Lieberman uncovered the fact that Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, fits the profile of a wife-abuser – the same profile that fit O.J. Simpson and Scott Peterson. At Terri's father's request, Dr. Lieberman put her opinion in writing (see below) so that the family could provide it to their attorneys, Governor Jeb Bush and Florida DCFS – who subsequently have begun investigating the possibility (supported by medical records and witnesses) that Michael Schiavo may well be the one responsible for the collapse that Terri suffered 15 years ago. Even offers of $1 million were not enough for Michael to take the risk of Terri being around 'to talk'. "Since writing my preliminary opinion, further information has come to light that continues to support this position. Unless this travesty of justice is stopped, the answer will truly lie where the bones are buried," warns Dr. Lieberman.

----

July 12, 2004--PRELIMINARY THOUGHTS ON HOW TERRI SCHIAVO'S HUSBAND, MICHAEL, FITS THE PROFILE OF A WIFE ABUSER

Based upon my interviews of Terri's father, Robert Schindler, and my research into media accounts of her case, I can provide the following preliminary opinions at this time:

--As the author of the book, Bad Boys: Why We Love Them, How to Live with Them and When to Leave Them, I have studied men who exhibit pathology in their relationships with women. Profiles of the twelve different types of bad boys are explained. Michael Schiavo fits the profile, described in the book as the Prince of Darkness (see chapter 13). O.J. Simpson was cited as a classic example of this type, and there are indeed similarities between the two men. It is especially significant to note that O.J. flew into a homicidal rage when he realized that Nicole was totally abandoning him, as is characteristic of these impulsive men who most dread being abandoned by their woman. Similarly, Michael Schiavo was likely to have known that Terri had begun making plans to divorce him, since she had told a coworker and family member. Stalking is characteristic of this type of man, as well. And a girlfriend of Michael's, Cindy, accused him of stalking her in 2001.

--Terri's personality fits that of a woman who would have been attracted (and attractive) to such a man. She was a loner as a child. In high school she was overweight and not popular with boys. She had low self-esteem. She was extremely compassionate, nurturing and subservient. They met when Terri was 20 years old, and married by the time she was 21. Such whirlwind courtships are typical of these men, who are able to spot a vulnerable woman they can dominate, and eager to seal her commitment to him.
Terri was frightened to object to Michael's pathologically controlling behavior. For example, he would monitor her odometer to control where she went. He tried to isolate her from her friends and family. She had to account for every penny, though they often lived on her income, since he would be fired, sometimes only after two weeks. He would splurge on $400 suits for himself, while she had to economize. He called her at work 3-4 times a day, often complaining of hating his job because no one appreciated him. He was often observed scolding her.

--Terri's family observed black and blue marks on her before the incident that plunged her into her current state. Medical records and/or experts have revealed that her neck injury was consistent with strangulation. A bone scan revealed multiple fractures occurring within 1-2 months before or after the incident, which has been described as equivalent to her being "hit by a mach truck". Michael has given three different explanations of how he found Terri after the incident.|

--Michael has had Terri's jewelry re-set into a ring for himself. Terri had two beloved cats that she adopted from an animal shelter, where they'd landed after being mistreated. When he moved in with his girlfriend, Cindy, he had Terri's cats euthanized. Psychologically, this is symbolic of what he is trying to do now to Terri.

--Michael has been under psychiatric care, including being prescribed several psychotropic medications. One of his treating therapists, Dr. Peter Kaplan, told Terri's father that he should have called the police after Michael argued with Terri's sister, Susanne, and Michael tried to attack her. This occurred right after Terri's collapse, when they were all in a house together. Terri's father told Susanne to lock her door and keep a hammer nearby.

--As a psychiatric expert witness, I have had experience performing psychiatric examinations of men like Michael Schiavo, and testifying in court about similar cases. The above is simply meant to illustrate some of the indications that Michael fits the profile of an abusive husband. He should most definitely be investigated as the perpetrator of the 'incident' that caused Terri's collapse and her current condition. If Terri were to be allowed to die, as Michael has been desperately struggling to achieve for years, it could help him escape detection. This would be a grave miscarriage of justice.

[Mysteefied]

I just see no reason at all to keep the parents from taking over care and decisions for their daughter.

[Michelle]

once again I thank Mibrew for opening my eyes and posting the info he finds. I first thought he is the one who is married to her and he should have the choice of what goes on in her and his life. BUT when after a year goes and lives with another woman and have kids with her. HE SHOULD LOOSE ALL RIGHTS TO HIS WIFE. why don't the courts see this....the husband isn't doing this for money. He is doing this for CONTROL. I also heard that he will not allow her parents to be with her.. what the hell is that. I can't believe this..
I think HE IS KILLING HER. I am not a person for keeping people alive with what means needed but to me a feeding tube is not under that list. that is JMO....................
I just makes me mad that a man who has another life and kids and didn't do this until she was in the state she is and has complete control of her. I feel her parents..
I just dont' get it....

[Mibrew]

The right thing should have been done...

Divorce her, and let her family take over, and the tube would have never been removed.

I for one do not trust this mans intentions, I for one could never do this to my wife http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/no.gif

But then again...I love my wife to pieces

[beautiful_mess38]

The man thinks he will be able to continue his life happily. But, he wont. As more truth comes out about him, he will be a hated man. He will not live happily. The whole country knows about this. He will be watched closely and scrutenized for every move he makes. "where is hell?" he will be living it. And, that makes me very happy.
I just wish Terri would not have to starve to death. It is very clear he does not want her to get better.
My heart goes out to her and her family. My hatred goes out for him. He is a very evil man.

Terri, was never dying until now.

[Coldwolf]

Family Battle Turns Political

The family's troubles have devolved into a bitter public battle, with some conservative Republicans, including Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, and right-to-life organizations taking up the Schindlers' cause.

ABC News obtained talking points circulated among Senate Republicans explaining why they should vote to intervene in the Schiavo case. Among them, that it is an important moral issue and the "pro-life base will be excited," and that it is a "great political issue — this is a tough issue for Democrats."

When asked about these talking points on "Good Morning America," DeLay said, "I don't know where those talking points come from, and I think they're disgusting."

In this case, the Republican's political wrangling in the Schiavo case does not seem to reflect the majority of American's opinions.

According to an ABC News poll released earlier this week, 87 percent of those surveyed said they would not want to be kept alive if in Schiavo's condition, and 65 percent said a spouse should have the final say in what happens to a patient, as opposed to parents.

Michael Schiavo is adamant that politics have no place in what he says is a personal situation, and has called the Republican's actions a "mockery."

"These people in Congress are walking all over my personal and private life," he said. "I'm telling you, the United States citizens, you better start speaking up, because these people are going to trample into your personal, private affairs."
ABC News Report (http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Schiavo/story?id=595905&page=2)

[Coldwolf]

An overwhelming 82 percent of the public believes the Congress and President should stay out of the matter.



(CBS/AP) Congressional leaders have insisted their only motivation in getting involved in the Terri Schiavo case was saving a life. But Americans aren’t buying that argument, a CBS News poll finds.

An overwhelming 82 percent of the public believes the Congress and President should stay out of the matter.

Just 13 percent of those polled think Congress intervened in the case out of concern for Schiavo, while 74 percent think it was all about politics. Of those polled, 66 percent said the tube should not be inserted compared to 27 percent who want it restored. The issue has generated strong feelings, with 78 percent of those polled -- wheter for either side of the issue -- saying they have strong feelings.

Public approval of Congress has suffered as a result; at 34 percent, it is the lowest it has been since 1997, dropping from 41 percent last month. Now at 43 percent, President Bush’s approval rating is also lower than it was a month ago.

Over the weekend, Republicans in Congress pushed through unprecedented emergency legislation aimed at prolonging the brain-damaged woman's life by allowing the case to be reviewed by federal courts.

Since then, a federal judge and a federal appeals panel have turned down a request by Schiavo's parents to order doctors to reconnect the feeding tube that's kept their daughter alive for the past 15 years.

Wednesday afternoon, the case was rejected by the full 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. It could still be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Late Wednesday, leaders of the U.S. House filed papers with the Supreme Court supporting the parents' wishes to have the feeding tube restored -- even though the parents have not yet appealed to the high court. The House leaders, including House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, and Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., argues that federal courts so far have misinterpreted the special Schindler legislation, and that the federal courts are required to keep Schiavo alive until a new review of her case.

President Bush, who rushed back from his Texas ranch to sign the bill early Monday, defended the actions he and Congress have taken on Schiavo's behalf, but said the White House has no further legal options.

"We felt like the actions taken with Congress was the best course of action," Mr. Bush said Wednesday.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan later said, "There really are not other legal options available to us."

CBS News Correspondent Wyatt Andrews reports there is evidence some Republicans saw a political opening in the Schiavo case, by framing her plight in the context of pro-life or anti-abortion politics.

One memo circulating in the Senate last week touted how the "pro-life base will be excited by the issue."

CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/23/politics/main682619.shtml)

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Darn I thought I posted that..itposted in lots of news sources, this one is called Christian Communication Network...heres more

hmmm... so the article came from a christian coalition.. that makes sense now..

comfort measures, when a person is dying or near death does not include feeding tubes. Comfort measures usually consist of morphine, morphine and more morphine.. oxygen if the patient needs it. but mostly all a feeding tube does it feed the disease or disorder.
I speak for the experience of giving 300 mg of morphine an hour and up to 4 mg of ativan every hour.. just to keep a patient COMFORTABLE while they die.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Originally posted by Mibrew:
The right thing should have been done...

Divorce her, and let her family take over, and the tube would have never been removed.

I for one do not trust this mans intentions, I for one could never do this to my wife http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/no.gif

But then again...I love my wife to pieces

but you wont buy her a plant stand! LOL just kidding. But mibrew, you can love your wife, but pls keep her in one piece ok? we dont want to have to call you MiBrewDalmer

[Mibrew]

Funny Wolfy...funny http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wiseguy.gif

Buy the way, I did buy her that plant stand, and what she do, she set a ceramic bunny planter on top of it, so ya cant even see the nice tile pattern underneath...go figure. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/goofy.gif

[Coldwolf]

Conservatives Invoke Case in Fund-Raising Campaigns
By David D. Kirkpatrick
The New York Times
TRUTHOUT (http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/032505Y.shtml)
Friday 25 March 2005

Videotape of Terri Schiavo blinking at her parents has inspired donations from people around the country to the foundation set up to help pay for the family's legal battle. But many other groups are soliciting donations in her name as well, some for a much broader agenda.

"Help Save Terri Schiavo's Life!" says the Web site of the Traditional Values Coalition, a Christian conservative group best known for its campaigns against gay rights. Next to a link to the Web site of her parents' foundation is a pitch to "become an active supporter of the Traditional Values Coalition by pledging a monthly gift."

"What this issue has done is it has galvanized people the way nothing could have done in an off-election year," said Rev. Lou Sheldon, the founder of the group, acknowledging that the case of Ms. Schiavo, a severely brain-damaged Florida woman, had moved many to open up their checkbooks. "That is what I see as the blessing that dear Terri's life is offering to the conservative Christian movement in America."

Mr. Sheldon, whose organization is based in Anaheim, Calif., said his group had sent e-mail messages and direct mailings telling supporters to call elected officials about the Schiavo case and usually asking for donations as well.

Yep, its all about the dignity of human life. I'm sure its what Terri would want.

[Raider]

MIAMI - Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo wasn't to be removed from her hospice, a team of Florida law enforcement agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted - but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Miami Herald has learned.

Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.

For a brief period, local police, who have officers around the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called a showdown.

In the end, the state agents and the Department of Children and Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.

"We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in," said a source with the local police.

"The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene," said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. "When the Sheriff's Department, and our department, told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off."

The incident, known only to a few, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Florida Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in state law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.

Participants in the high-stakes test of wills, who spoke with The Miami Herald on the condition of anonymity, said they believed the standoff could ultimately have led to a constitutional crisis - and a confrontation between dueling lawmen.

"There were two sets of law enforcement officers facing off, waiting for the other to blink," said one official with knowledge of Thursday morning's activities. In jest, one official said local police discussed "whether we had enough officers to hold off the National Guard."

"It was kind of a showdown on the part of the locals and the state police," the official said. "It was not too long after that Jeb Bush was on TV saying that, evidently, he doesn't have as much authority as people think."

State officials on Friday vigorously denied the notion that any "showdown" occurred.

The Department of Children and Families "directed no such action," said agency spokeswoman Zoraya Suarez.

Said Bush spokesman Jacob DiPietre: "There was no showdown. We were ready to go. We didn't want to break the law. There was a process in place and we were following the process. The judge had an order and we were following the order."

Tim Caddell, a spokesman for the city of Pinellas Park, declined to discuss the event.

The developments that set Thursday morning's events in motion began the previous afternoon, when the governor and DCF chief Lucy Hadi held an impromptu news conference to announce that they were considering sheltering Schiavo under the state's adult protection law. The department has been besieged, officials say, by thousands of calls alleging Schiavo is the victim of abuse or neglect.

Alerted by the Bush administration that Schiavo might be on her way to their facility, officials at Morton Plant Hospital went to court Wednesday, asking Florida Circuit Judge George Greer, who ordered the removal of Schiavo's feeding tube last week, what to do.

"It's an extraordinary situation," said Beth Hardy, a hospital spokeswoman. "I don't think any of us has seen anything like it. Ever."



Greer signed an order Wednesday afternoon forbidding the department from "taking possession of Theresa Marie Schiavo or removing her" from the hospice. He directed "each and every and singular Sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order.

But Thursday, at 8:15 a.m., DCF lawyers appealed Greer's order to judges at the Second District Court of Appeal in Lakeland.

That created the window of time to seize Schiavo. When DCF filed its appeal, it effectively froze the judge's Wednesday order. It took nearly three hours before the judge found out and canceled the automatic stay, shortly before 11 a.m.

Administrators of the 72-bed hospice, who have endured a withering siege of their facility by protesters since Greer last Friday ordered Schiavo's feeding tube be removed, declined to discuss Thursday morning's events in any detail.

"I don't really know, or pretend to know, the specifics of what is going on behind the scenes," said Mike Bell, a spokesman for Hospice of the Florida Suncoast, which operates Woodside.

According to sources, DCF intended to take Schiavo to Morton Plant Hospital, where her feeding tube had been reinserted in 2003 following a previous judicial order allowing its removal. But hospice officials were aware that the hospital wasn't likely to perform surgery to reinsert the tube without an order from Greer.

"People knew that taking (Schiavo) did not equate with immediate reinsertion of the feeding tube," a source said. "Hospital officials were working with their legal counsel, and their advisers, trying to figure out which order superseded which, and what action they should take."

Hardy, the hospital spokeswoman, said she doesn't believe the hospital was made aware Thursday morning that DCF and state police planned to bring Schiavo in.

George Felos, the attorney for Schiavo's husband, Michael, said he doesn't think DCF officials knew of the window of opportunity they had created until well after they filed their appeal.

"Frankly, I don't believe when they filed their notice of appeal they realized that that gave them an automatic stay," Felos said. "When we filed our motion to vacate the automatic stay ... they realized they had a short window of opportunity and they wanted to extend that as long as they could.

"I believe that as soon as DCF knew they had an opportunity they were mobilizing to take advantage of it, without a doubt."

[Dodgergirl]

I Just completely changed my opinion on this guy...He Wants an Autopsy....She Isn't Dead!

Was undecided on this one, I guess I just wanted to believe in true love........huh? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/duh.gif
But now, after reading this I really gotta wonder where this guy's head is at?? Somebody ought to take him out, put a http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/rifle.gif to him, but only enough to brain damage him..........
Uh, Not very Christian of me, is it? Sorry, but somewhere I once read about an eye for an eye..... (Oh, and before y'all get riled up, I am a Christian, I do believe in forgiveness & I do believe in divine retribution, BUT I just can't come up with the grace necessary for this guy.......)

Schiavo to Undergo Autopsy to End Debate -- Lawyer

By Jane Sutton

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - The husband of brain-damaged Florida woman Terri Schiavo has ordered an autopsy after she dies to silence allegations his plan to cremate her body is aimed at hiding something, his lawyer said on Monday.


As supporters of Schiavo's parents took their fight to prolong her life to Washington 10 days after her feeding was stopped, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, said her pulse had become "thready" and she had not passed urine for a while -- a possible sign of approaching death.

He said Michael Schiavo, who has been pitted against the parents in a seven-year legal conflict over whether to allow Schiavo to die, requested an official autopsy to show the "massive" extent of the brain damage she suffered in 1990.

"We didn't think it was appropriate to talk about an autopsy prior to Mrs. Schiavo's death," Felos told reporters outside his law office in Dunedin, Florida.

"But because claims have been made by, I guess, opponents of carrying out her wishes that there was some motive behind the cremation of Mrs. Schiavo we felt it was necessary to make that announcement today."

Disagreement over the planned cremation rather than the full burial demanded by Schiavo's Roman Catholic parents has been a subplot to the long legal battle.

The fate of the woman, who has been in a persistent vegetative state since suffering cardiac arrest, has become a cause for Christian conservatives and drawn in Congress, President Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

State courts have accepted testimony from Michael Schiavo and others that she did not want to be kept alive artificially, but her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, disagree, and maintain she tries to communicate with them.

Pressured by the Christian right, Congress passed a special law that allowed the Schindlers to take their case to federal court, and President Bush cut short a vacation to sign it.

The effort proved in vain as court after court -- all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court -- rejected a flurry of petitions since the feeding tube was disconnected on March 18.

Nevertheless, supporters of Bob and Mary Schindler again appealed for federal or state intervention.

"This is about the soul of our nation, the soul of our church," said Michael McMonagle, spokesman for the Pro-Life Union of Southeastern Pennsylvania, as around two dozen protesters gathered in a park across from the White House.

Outside the hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, where Schiavo is being cared for, the protesters were dismissive of Michael Schiavo's plans for an autopsy.

"It's a way to cover his behind," said Randall Terry, an anti-abortion activist speaking for the Schindlers.

Bob Schindler, who has at times asserted his daughter was in her final hours and at others maintained that it was not too late to intervene, said earlier she was "fighting like hell."

Doctors said when the feeding tube was disconnected that she would likely last for up to two weeks without sustenance.

Schindler said Schiavo was beginning to look like a Nazi "concentration camp" survivor and voiced a fear that hospice staff might try to hasten her end by giving her an overdose of morphine.



"We do not hasten death in any way, nor do we prolong life. That is not our role," said Louise Cleary, a spokeswoman for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.

Felos said Schindler's fears were misplaced. He said Schiavo was not on a morphine drip but had received two "minuscule" 5 milligram doses of the opiate since March 18.

He said he visited her on Monday and she looked peaceful and calm.

"Mrs. Schiavo's pulse is described by the nursing staff as thready. Also she has had no urine output since last night," Felos said. Doctors say a lack of urine would be an early indication that Schiavo's kidneys are shutting down.

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever. It doesn't appear from at least me seeing her, and you know I'm not a doctor by any means, but it doesn't appear her death is imminent but it's just impossible to say," Felos said.

[Dodgergirl]

I Just completely changed my opinion on this guy...He Wants an Autopsy....She Isn't Dead!

Was undecided on this one, I guess I just wanted to believe in true love........huh? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/duh.gif
But now, after reading this I really gotta wonder where this guy's head is at?? Somebody ought to take him out, put a http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/rifle.gif to him, but only enough to brain damage him..........
Uh, Not very Christian of me, is it? Sorry, but somewhere I once read about an eye for an eye..... (Oh, and before y'all get riled up, I am a Christian, I do believe in forgiveness & I do believe in divine retribution, BUT I just can't come up with the grace necessary for this guy.......)

Schiavo to Undergo Autopsy to End Debate -- Lawyer

By Jane Sutton

PINELLAS PARK, Fla. (Reuters) - The husband of brain-damaged Florida woman Terri Schiavo has ordered an autopsy after she dies to silence allegations his plan to cremate her body is aimed at hiding something, his lawyer said on Monday.


As supporters of Schiavo's parents took their fight to prolong her life to Washington 10 days after her feeding was stopped, Michael Schiavo's lawyer, George Felos, said her pulse had become "thready" and she had not passed urine for a while -- a possible sign of approaching death.

He said Michael Schiavo, who has been pitted against the parents in a seven-year legal conflict over whether to allow Schiavo to die, requested an official autopsy to show the "massive" extent of the brain damage she suffered in 1990.

"We didn't think it was appropriate to talk about an autopsy prior to Mrs. Schiavo's death," Felos told reporters outside his law office in Dunedin, Florida.

"But because claims have been made by, I guess, opponents of carrying out her wishes that there was some motive behind the cremation of Mrs. Schiavo we felt it was necessary to make that announcement today."

Disagreement over the planned cremation rather than the full burial demanded by Schiavo's Roman Catholic parents has been a subplot to the long legal battle.

The fate of the woman, who has been in a persistent vegetative state since suffering cardiac arrest, has become a cause for Christian conservatives and drawn in Congress, President Bush and his brother, Florida Gov. Jeb Bush.

State courts have accepted testimony from Michael Schiavo and others that she did not want to be kept alive artificially, but her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, disagree, and maintain she tries to communicate with them.

Pressured by the Christian right, Congress passed a special law that allowed the Schindlers to take their case to federal court, and President Bush cut short a vacation to sign it.

The effort proved in vain as court after court -- all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court -- rejected a flurry of petitions since the feeding tube was disconnected on March 18.

Nevertheless, supporters of Bob and Mary Schindler again appealed for federal or state intervention.

"This is about the soul of our nation, the soul of our church," said Michael McMonagle, spokesman for the Pro-Life Union of Southeastern Pennsylvania, as around two dozen protesters gathered in a park across from the White House.

Outside the hospice in Pinellas Park, Florida, where Schiavo is being cared for, the protesters were dismissive of Michael Schiavo's plans for an autopsy.

"It's a way to cover his behind," said Randall Terry, an anti-abortion activist speaking for the Schindlers.

Bob Schindler, who has at times asserted his daughter was in her final hours and at others maintained that it was not too late to intervene, said earlier she was "fighting like hell."

Doctors said when the feeding tube was disconnected that she would likely last for up to two weeks without sustenance.

Schindler said Schiavo was beginning to look like a Nazi "concentration camp" survivor and voiced a fear that hospice staff might try to hasten her end by giving her an overdose of morphine.



"We do not hasten death in any way, nor do we prolong life. That is not our role," said Louise Cleary, a spokeswoman for the Hospice of the Florida Suncoast.

Felos said Schindler's fears were misplaced. He said Schiavo was not on a morphine drip but had received two "minuscule" 5 milligram doses of the opiate since March 18.

He said he visited her on Monday and she looked peaceful and calm.

"Mrs. Schiavo's pulse is described by the nursing staff as thready. Also she has had no urine output since last night," Felos said. Doctors say a lack of urine would be an early indication that Schiavo's kidneys are shutting down.

"I saw no evidence of any bodily discomfort whatsoever. It doesn't appear from at least me seeing her, and you know I'm not a doctor by any means, but it doesn't appear her death is imminent but it's just impossible to say," Felos said.

[beautiful_mess38]

I thought it would be ironic if Terry died on Easter Sunday. When she didn't I knew it would be today. My birthday. I don't mind being sad today, because I was so passionate about her.

My heart goes out to her family. At least now she's in a better place.

His life is going to become difficult. According to his girlfriends brother, he has received threats. I'll be surprised if someone does not try to kill him.

Rest in Peace Terry..Go be with your God.

[Coldwolf]

This is the US media since Staturday: "Terri, Who?"

It didn't go the way the Rightwing dominated media wanted, so they aren't mentioning it at all.

Freaking Hypocrites

[Raider]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
This is the US media since Staturday: "Terri, Who?"

It didn't go the way the Rightwing dominated media wanted, so they aren't mentioning it at all.

Freaking Hypocrites Maybe because it was really a small story to start off with, and now there's a little thing going on about the Pope. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/doh.gif

[Patagoniamaniac]

Like i mentioned in the other post...They are just waiting to see what the test results of her brain anaylsis is..( 2-3 weeks)Was she aware of her surroundings? did she suffer a agonizing death from thirst or starvation and not be able to verbalize it??..or ..did she not feel a thing...kinda makes me wonder...sorry, but I am curious..I' wanna know...I can't say what it would feel like to die of thirst or starvation..but...If thats what i would of had to do not live the way she was..let me starve loved ones....