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Sandman
Sep 01, 2004, 12:36 PM
Sandman
Sep 01, 2004, 12:36 PM
<h1 align="center">Public treads water issues</h1><H3 align="center">
Oakhurst residents look at possibility of purchasing
Hillview Water Company during meeting last week</h3>
By Irene Thirlwall
editorial@sierrastar.com</p>
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There are no free lunches, not in Oakhurst said Jim Watkins, chairman of the SB 621 committee, at last Thursdayâs community water meeting at the Oakhurst Community Center Pavilion.
The SB 621 committee is a group of residents and businesses from the Oakhurst area who have been appointed as an oversight committee, by the Madera County Board of Supervisors, to handle a grant of $1 million to use for improvements of the water system in Oakhurst.
The more than 60 Mountain Area residents that attended the meeting were given handouts from Gary Gilbert, supervisor for District 5 and from Carl Carlucci, senior sanitary engineer for the California Department of Health Services.
Gilbert dispersed a position statement regarding Hillview Water Company. The statement discussed the background, present and conclusions for the future of Hillview Water Company.
Carlucci dispersed a document that discusses Hillview Water Company-Oakhurst/Sierra Lakes Water System Chronology, as of Aug. 10.
During the course of the evening, those in attendance discussed how to solve the long-standing problem regarding lack of water. Both Gilbert and Watkins stressed the importance of the need for a public entity to purchase Hillview.
The reason for this is that because Hillview is a privately owned company, state law preempts county jurisdiction.
In the position statement, and also brought up at the meeting, was the fact that about 90 percent of the water consumed in the summertime by Hillview users is for outdoor irrigation.
And that every summer since 1999, Hillview has asked its customers to halt outdoor watering during the summer months, primarily due to system overuse. This summer Oakhurst was issued a state of emergency ban by the Madera County Sheriffâs Department, which was lifted at the Aug. 24 board of supervisorâs meeting.
At the present time Hillview, has two of its wells full and operational and according to Carlucci has plans to drill four or five wells in the Sierra Lakes plant site.
In January of 2001 a report was submitted to the Department of Health Services stating that a test hole had been drilled, pump tested and sampled in the Sierra Lakes area. The report indicated that new wells in the area would probably produce between 50-100 gpm (gallons per minute). Also, the water sample results from the test hole showed that it met all drinking water standards, including uranium.
âWe hope this will take care of uranium issues, one well was tested and met standards. We hope the rest will also,â Carlucci said.
However, Carlucci explained that this plan is to fix existing Hillview customers, not for growth.
âHard rock wells are not reliable, you donât know âtil you drill,â Carlucci said.
Watkins later stressed what needs to be done in the future. âThe county is not in the water business...itâs terribly important to emphasize that a public entity is needed.â
âMerely having an entity in place will not solve the problem, money will be needed, there are no free lunches, not in Oakhurst,â Watkins said.
As the crowd continued to discuss how to move forward, it was decided that the word needed to be spread throughout the Mountain Area, that a public entity needed to be formed, and that money will be needed for a feasibility study of the Hillview infrastructure.
Both Watkins and Gilbert said that a mailing list would possibly be gathered to inform Hillview customers of what needs to be done in the future and that they will hold another meeting in 35 to 45 days.
âThis was a very positive meeting, we went beyond the blame, to whatâs the solution,â Gilbert said.
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citizen
Nov 02, 2004, 10:36 PM
Water forum set tomorrow
By Irene Thirlwall
editorial@sierrastar.com
www.sierrastar.com (http://www.sierrastar.com)
The SB 621 Committee has scheduled a public forum at the Oakhurst Senior Citizenâs Center, located at 49111 Cinder Lane behind the Oakhurst Community Center, for Nov. 4 at 6 p.m.
The forum will be an open discussion of the Hillview Company water system and the possibility of public acquisition of that system.
A notice was recently mailed out to members of the public who have previously requested to be notified of future meetings regarding the Mountain Areaâs water conditions.
The previous meeting, held in August, attracted about one hundred citizens who indicated an interest in having future meetings to explore the ramifications of a public entity acquiring the Hillview Water System.
This meeting will give a report on information gathered since the previous meeting regarding the possible timetable, milestones and conditions for such an acquisition.
The SB 621 Committee is a group of residents and business people in the Oakhurst area who were appointed by the Madera County Board of Supervisors originally as an oversight committee for the expenditure of funds granted by the State Legislature under Senate Bill 621 for the improvement of the water problems in Oakhurst.
The Committee has since been tasked by the Madera County Board of Supervisors to explore sources of funding to address the Oakhurst water problems. âI urge you and anyone who is a Hillview ratepayer or interested in the water problems of Oakhurst to attend the meeting and let us know your thoughts,â said Jim Watkins, Committee Chair.
âIt is time for the community to take action.â
If you have any questions about the meeting or the matter in general, please do not hesitate to contact any member of the SB 621 committee or the committee chair, Jim Watkins at (559) 683-5757.
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Choco-chick
Nov 03, 2004, 04:28 PM
Is anyone here going to this?
Mibrew
Nov 03, 2004, 04:54 PM
I wish we could take it away from Roger, they have been talking about it for years now, and the cost is very expensive now, we need for the city of Oakhurst <--[which is another story) to incorporate and bring this back to a productive state with better Wells for drinking.
I was lucky because the first place I bought here in Oakhurst was own by the person who started the committee agianst "Mr Rogers Hillview" who would let these wells go to shame without investing any money to fix the problems or re-drill new wells, the person I bought it from had drilled 2 Wells on my property so he would not have to rely on Hillview Water.
I do own the property next to me thats on Hillview water, but I do not use it, I pipe in water from one of my 2 wells, but I also feel sorry for my neighbors when there put on restrictions, or for emergencys so I ran a line that they can use if needed, but I'm also worried about my own water tables, when we dont get enough rain or snow.
Sorry I'm getting carried away here. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smash.gif
Choco you should go, just for the info.
Choco-chick
Nov 05, 2004, 08:28 AM
Mibrew I sent you a private message http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif
Mibrew
Nov 05, 2004, 09:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Choco-chick:
Mibrew I sent you a private message http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Just got back from the gym, go to your P.M. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smile.gif
Brew ~ : ]
Mibrew
Nov 09, 2004, 04:40 AM
I remember a while back when the option was open to purchase Hillview before, the public/committee (Oakhurst Citizens for better Water) could not come up with the money needed to but Roger out, nor could the committe qualify for grants to help Hillview because it it a privatly owned company, thats one of the reason that I wanted to Incorporate Oakhurst, we could use the Tax money for the Town of Oakhurst, instead of our Taxes going to Madera, we would also have access for a number of Grants available, one was to help with an assessment study, and making improvements.
Mibrew
Nov 10, 2004, 04:58 AM
Residents consider purchase of Hillview
By Irene Thirlwall
editorial@sierrastar.com
Members of the Mountain Area, particularly those who are on Hillview Water Company, Inc.âs service, gathered together Thursday [Nov. 4] to discuss Hillview and its possible acquisition. Hillview supplies water to many residents in the Mountain Area and for many years has had quantity and quality issues, causing much of the community to be concerned for the future of the water supply.
Just this summer, the Sheriffâs Department issued a ban on the indoor and outdoor watering in the community; this caused panic in much of the public and has ignited desire for action, now.
Many of the statements and comments, from the more than 30 residents that gathered at Oakhurstâs Senior Center were full of anxiety and frustration.
âIf Hillview fails, property values will plummet,â said Joe Stern, a member of the SB 621 Committee. âThe customers of Hillview need to buy the company.â
Jim Watkins and Gary Gilbert, who have both been working on the water problems, conducted the forum Thursday. Jim Watkins said one of the first things that needs to be done is for the community to decide if a publicly owned water system is what the community really wants. He said right now it is an early stage, but that decisions need to be made because while we are heading into the winter season, anyone who has lived here for a number of years knows that by the summertime it is going to change. Every summer for the past several years has had the users of Hillview on some type of water ban. Each year the water problems in the Mountain Area seem to increase.
During the forum, information was handed out to those in attendance. A four-page handout was distributed and discussed Hillviewâs water quality and quantity low, long-range value of homes and property, the private ownership of Hillview along with regulation by the Public Utilities Commission, a $3.4 million loan Hillview recently received and how it is only a âBand-Aid,â the current condition of Hillview, forming a public water company by purchasing Hillview and why should the community form a maintenance district.
At present, all of the water provided by Hillview comes from hard-rock wells located around Eastern Madera County. Some of the wells have high contaminants such as uranium and arsenic and secondary contaminants such as iron, manganese and high levels of calcium. During the winter months, the wells high in uranium are generally taken off line, but during the summer when demand is normally high, those wells are in production, thus causing often excessive levels of contaminants to be provided in the consumerâs water. This, in turn, necessitates warnings to the users not to use the water for drinking purposes.
Beginning in 1999, lack of water quantity resulted in Hillview asking its customers to halt outdoors watering during times of shortage. When Hillview limits water sales, they limit income revenue and have no money to reinvest into improvements for the company.
Many residents in Eastern Madera County own their own homes, are retired, or plan to retire in the Mountain Area. For most, their home and property are their single largest investment. Good water for drinking, enough water for landscaping and community parks, and enough water to ensure sufficient fire safety are of utmost importance to many in the Mountain Area. The value of property owned within the Hillview service area would likely increase if the water company was operated by a public entity.
Attached to this article is a flow chart showing the visual steps needed to be taken to acquire Hillview.
The members of the SB 621 committee handed out a survey asking the community if they are really willing to support this process. This survey is shown on A1 and the committee would like to encourage the community to make copies and hand out to neighbors and friends who may not have a copy.
Roger Forrester, president and co-owner of Hillview, said that he feels that the community is on the right track and that they need to get the word out and start knocking on peopleâs doors.
âThatâs the only way to accomplish this. It doesnât matter what they do there is still a certain amount needed to purchase Hillview,â Forrester said.
Forrester also said that he is all for the community purchasing Hillview, as he would like to retire, but said he believes surface water is the long-term solution.
âHard-rock wells are undependable, all home owners would benefit from having surface water.â For more information or questions, please call Jim Watkins, chair of the SB 621 committee at (559) 683-5757.
Note, please see the bottom of page B7, of Friday [Nov. 5] Sierra Star for a public notice informing Hillview customers of a 28 percent increase to water rates, requested from Hillview, from the California Public Utilities Commission, to offset increased operating expenses and allow Hillview to perform a normal level of system maintenance, and to provide an adequate rate of return.
Californee Girl
Nov 11, 2004, 04:40 PM
I was wondering what the reasons were when I got my notice. It was truly ironic that I was re running my daughters bath for the fifth time (our water comes out reaking of bleach but still bright orange) when my husband read that piece of mail to me.
Californee Girl
Nov 11, 2004, 04:40 PM
I was wondering what the reasons were when I got my notice. It was truly ironic that I was re running my daughters bath for the fifth time (our water comes out reaking of bleach but still bright orange) when my husband read that piece of mail to me.
Ironhorse
Nov 12, 2004, 03:44 PM
I got my notice this week, but was on my way to Fresno for weekly babysitting duties. I for one am writing a letter to the PUC about why I think the 28% increase is a rip-off.
Dodgergirl
Nov 12, 2004, 03:48 PM
My daughter got the notice, too. She thinks a refund is due...she won't even brush her teeth with that water. Guess her bottled water bills are getting higher every day. It's really disturbing to think she might be consuming chemicals in the water....planning on grandkids soon. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif
Ironhorse
Nov 12, 2004, 05:45 PM
Drinking/cooking/teethbrushing/pet water costs me $20/40 per month (I get it delivered because I can't lift the bottles at the store and get them in to my house. Right now, my water is brownish again from Hillview. I have been washing my clothes at my son's house. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/shout.gif
Dodgergirl
Nov 12, 2004, 06:02 PM
She said her husbands work shirts had a weird tinge to them, probably the water. they should be offering refunds/rebates to those experiencing problems. They have their water delivered, too.
Ironhorse
Nov 13, 2004, 02:51 AM
There's a lot of things they should do, fixing the system with the money they're ALREADY being paid is one of them. Didn't notice any weird color on my cloths, other than couldn't get the dingey out anymore, but they had a weird smell that even fabric softener wouldn't mask.
Curious
Nov 21, 2004, 06:37 PM
I don't think we have a choice. Roger can not or will not manage the company in a manner that will provide quality service to customers. He wants to sell but is asking too much for the company.
A public agency must take the company through eminent domain and pay the matket value, to be determined by an independent appraiser.
Then, the public agency will have to spend the money necessary to correct the damage that has resulted from years of mis-management and neglect.
Mibrew
Dec 01, 2004, 05:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curious:HI Curious, I think your on the right track, we do need somone to buy it, it should belong to the city of Oakhurst, and it would have to be bought by a public agency, and the money would come from grants to correct the damage, and more research. If I remember correctly I think roger wanted a little over 8 million for it, and that was a few years ago.
I don't think we have a choice. Roger can not or will not manage the company in a manner that will provide quality service to customers. He wants to sell but is asking too much for the company.
A public agency must take the company through eminent domain and pay the matket value, to be determined by an independent appraiser.
Then, the public agency will have to spend the money necessary to correct the damage that has resulted from years of mis-management and neglect. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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