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Harmony
Dec 22, 2006, 06:33 PM
Hi Ya'll, haven't posted here in a while, so i thought i would post something that may stir up a little discussion. Read this article and post what your opinion is. It should be an interesting conversation...

"On Tuesday, December 20, ABC aired a special two-hour program entitled, “Heaven: Where Is It? How Do We Get There?” To produce the program, Barbara Walters spent a whole year traveling the world, “interviewing religious leaders, scientists, believers and non-believers alike to get a range of perspectives on heaven and the afterlife” (ABC News International, www.abcnews.go.com, (http://www.abcnews.go.com,) December 21, 2005).

Are we overlooking the obvious? Are we asking the question of the wrong people? The very inquiry of what happens after death is impossible for any living human to answer on his own authority, from his own experience. So the answers more often than not are just speculations, opinions, and feelings.

But there is someone who can speak authoritatively on what happens after death—from experience: that someone is Jesus Christ!

Jesus is the only human being ever to have been resurrected to spirit life! (Others were brought back to physical, temporary life—Matthew 9:25; 27:52; Acts 9:40). After three days and three nights in the grave, Jesus Christ was resurrected and seen by more than 500 witnesses over a 40-day period (1 Corinthians 15:3; Acts 1). After that, the disciples watched as He disappeared into a cloud (Acts 1:3) to sit at the right hand of the Father, in heaven (Mark 16:19).

So what does Jesus say about heaven? Is it the place where saints will live for all eternity, in a state of blessedness? When Jesus was on this earth, notice His words, as recorded by the Apostle John: “No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven” (John 3:13). The popular belief of departed moms, dads, grandparents, brothers, and sisters in heaven—where we will be reunited with them at death—is just not in the Bible! And on the testimony of Jesus Christ—the only one who can speak with authority on the subject of life after death—no man (or woman) has gone up to heaven.

So where are the dead? Waiting and resting in their graves, for the resurrection from the dead at Christ’s return. As Peter was inspired to say on the Day of Pentecost, “Let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day… For David did not ascend into the heavens” (Acts 2:29, 34).

We are not going to heaven—Jesus is coming back to earth! After the disciples watched Jesus ascend to heaven, 40 days after his resurrection, the angels made an important (and often overlooked) statement: “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven” (Acts 1:11). Paul was inspired to explain that this event will coincide with the resurrection of the saints, who will come out of their graves, rise to meet Christ in the air (not in heaven) and will come with Christ back down to earth. “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus… For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words” (1 Thessalonians 4:14–18).

It is a comfort to know what happens after death, straight from the words of the One who has been there! If you would like to know more about your future in God’s Kingdom on earth, read our Tomorrow’s World web site cover story “Will You Inherit the Earth?”

How do you find the real truth about heaven and the afterlife? Ask the right Person!"

Source:"Are you going to Heaven? Who really knows?" (http://www.lcg.org/cgi-bin/tw/commentary/tw-comm.cgi?category=Commentary1&item=1135351995)

Dawn
Oct 07, 2008, 04:01 PM
According to the Bible you have to sell everything you own and give it to the poor if you want to go to Heaven. And I don't know anyone who is willing to do that. The Amish are the only ones I can think of that try to follow the Bible very closely.

Dodgergirl
Oct 07, 2008, 05:26 PM
According to the Bible you have to sell everything you own and give it to the poor if you want to go to Heaven. And I don't know anyone who is willing to do that. The Amish are the only ones I can think of that try to follow the Bible very closely.

What Bible is that in? My Bible states we are saved through grace, not through works... thats where the blood of Christ comes in.

only1alphafemale
Oct 07, 2008, 05:35 PM
What Bible is that in? My Bible states we are saved through grace, not through works... thats where the blood of Christ comes in.


As mine does DG~ ! But I have noticed what appeared to be a trend today, so I find the need to ask~

Dawn? You seem to have posted to several religious threads today/tonight~? May I ask your intentions for having done this? Some of the threads you posted to, besides this one, are "Is there a God" , and "Best Church for ", along with a post made by Mystee regarding her feelings about an approach done or made to her daughter~ ?

Just curious here....thanks~

blue
Oct 07, 2008, 05:36 PM
According to the Bible you have to sell everything you own and give it to the poor if you want to go to Heaven. And I don't know anyone who is willing to do that. The Amish are the only ones I can think of that try to follow the Bible very closely.

If the rich did that, wouldn't the poor then go to hell?

Patagoniamaniac
Oct 07, 2008, 05:55 PM
seriously? I believe there is an Alter Ego lurking in our midst...

Sandman
Oct 07, 2008, 05:58 PM
seriously? I believe there is an Alter Ego lurking in our midst...

I think we may have several alts on the forum today... :lol:

That's fine. As long as they dont start arguing with each other. That would be weird.

Dawn
Oct 07, 2008, 06:13 PM
Mark 10:21 states you have to sell everything you own and give to the poor if you want to go to Heaven.

The only reason I posted today was because I received an email newsletter [Yosemite Area October Newsletter] to check out the forums and noticed there was a spiritual forum. I have always been interested in discussing the Bible so I decided to post. No I'm sorry but I don't have an alter ego. That is very unfair.

only1alphafemale
Oct 07, 2008, 06:21 PM
I think we may have several alts on the forum today... :lol:

That's fine. As long as they dont start arguing with each other. That would be weird.


LOL~ I wanna watch if they do! ;) No matter "how weird" it might be....! :p and Thank You Dawn for answering my question~ :)

Dodgergirl
Oct 07, 2008, 06:28 PM
Mark 10:21 states you have to sell everything you own and give to the poor if you want to go to Heaven.

The only reason I posted today was because I received an email newsletter [Yosemite Area October Newsletter] to check out the forums and noticed there was a spiritual forum. I have always been interested in discussing the Bible so I decided to post. No I'm sorry but I don't have an alter ego. That is very unfair.


I don't think you were the one re: the alter ego....

And please, discuss, ask and vent all you want, that's what it's all about.

Yosemite Joy
Oct 07, 2008, 07:24 PM
I am not Dawn and Dawn is not me. Though she has a twin daughter who has my name.

LMAO.

I have no alter egos.

kellieflan
Oct 07, 2008, 07:36 PM
I have no alter egos.[/QUOTE]

YJ
You should get one, they're on sale at the Piggly Wiggly!rolleyes:

Kim
Oct 08, 2008, 05:47 AM
Mark 10:21 does not say that I have to sell everything and give to the poor to go to heaven. It says that Jesus told the one who came running to him to sell everything and follow him. Not everything in the Bible can or should be taken literally, although I find that those who read it in order to use it against Christian faith tend to do so.
The Bible also says that it's easier for a rich man to go through the eye of a needle than to enter the gates of heaven. I believe that the point of all of these is that Christians can't be distracted by material things...if we find ourselves being distracted by such, we should sell it and start concentrating on God.

Dawn
Oct 08, 2008, 07:55 AM
Mark 10:21-22

"Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

Some people interpret it differently I guess.

The Amish seem to have the right idea about the Bible.

Red Mule
Oct 08, 2008, 08:16 AM
There's some that want to condemn others because they do things their personal interpertation of the Bible say is wrong. There's others that say your aren't judged by what you do, only if you are "saved" or not. And then, there are those that say both things, except at different times. Sure get's confusing for a dumb old country boy like me.

What's wrong with letting everyone believe whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone else and aren't pushing their beliefs on other people that really don't want to hear it?

I'll abosolutely respect anyone's religious beliefs when they keep them to themselves. But, I figure that anyone that wants to parade their religious opinions in public surely wants to invite public discussion and critism from those that disagree. Color me shocked when I found this really wasn't the case!

Dawn
Oct 08, 2008, 08:57 AM
I don't really care either what people believe. I just don't like it when they come to my door. I just like to discuss religion online sometimes and get different people's opinions.

Kim
Oct 08, 2008, 10:58 AM
Mark 10:19-22 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society


19You know the commandments: 'Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, do not defraud, honor your father and mother.'[a]"

20"Teacher," he declared, "all these I have kept since I was a boy."

21Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

22At this the man's face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

Dawn
Oct 08, 2008, 11:19 AM
all i see when i read that is:

sell your stuff + give to the poor = go to Heaven.