sylvia brownes predictions....truth or fiction?.

[Patagoniamaniac]

I watched some of montel williams show today and he had Sylvia Browne on.I'm just curious as to how many of her predictions have actually come to pass... i surfed the web for this information and it was endlessly saying that she was and is a fraud..Although I find it facinating...I find it really her hard to believe...I tried even finding follow ups from her guests..I could only find that she has been proven wrong too many times...plus the fact that she believes we are reincarnated...Thats unbiblical..I suppose if thats what some choose to believe....so be it...we are all entitled to our own beliefs...oh...I've read that she predicted that the miners recently in the news that perished would be found alive...hmmmm
If anyone has info on her recent predictions..I'd like to hear them...just out of curiosity

[beautiful_mess38]

I love Sylvia Browne and have alot of her books.

Sylvia doesnt beleave in "re-incarnation". She does however; beleave in past lives and why you choose to come back. It's for more spirtitual gain and life experence. For better clarity read her books.

I do watch her on Montel. Predictions cannot and never will be 100%. I do give her credit and respect her for what she see's and is willing to put it out there. You also need to read what she has predicted and it happening.

Sylvia has been doing this for over 50 years. If she was a fraud she would not have the career she has for this long. Her physic ability is also genetic. Her grandmother, son and grand daughter also have it.

Sylvia is also a very religious and spirtual person. Everything she does is about God.

Pata I've gotten alot of her books on Amazon. Which I loan out. I do have about 3 of them here. One I've loaned out which I have not read yet. One I'm in the middle of reading and a book of Angels I have not read yet.

And by the way Sylvia is on Montel every Wed.

I know that YJ will have a field day with this because she has before When I have broughten up.

However; if you don't really know what she's about then how can you say she's a fraud.
I suggest that you research it further.

For me personnaly by reading her books has brought me great comfort and took away my fear of dying. They have also broaden my horizon on the whole sprititual thing.

Some of the things she says and writes about, throws me back too. However; it makes me think and be more open minded it helps you to make your own decisions on your beliefs.

[Patagoniamaniac]

what has she predicted that has come true? I'm really curious...plus, I dont think we have the choice to come back when we are in heaven. Thats a done deal..why would there be hell?...we only get one chance ..you should know that messy..The bible doesnt mention that we can return to earth as a different person to become a better person so on and so on...if it does please give me the scripture. I have a really good friend that is really into angels and spiritual guides. She believes that we were sisters in a past life...she also says that the angels speak to her all the time..I'm not sure what to think about this...I believe we have angels that protect us but...I done believe they should be worshipped and looked to for guidance more than God...I'm just confused about this stuff..I just prayed for discernment last night..I believe I'll just stick to what is in the word...the truth...

[Yosemite Joy]

She is BS. Absolute crap. Psychics make for good tv, and good ratings, and book sales. Otherwise they are BS. Cold readings are just a bunch of questions. I could do it.

Oh and I can predict things too. Anyone can. Slyvia Browne is a proven Queen of BS, not a psychic.

I absolutely abhor Slyvia Browne and her cigarette smoking voice. I made a thread about her someplace on here a while back.

Read about how she (and others) do cold readings.

I feel sorry for people that believe in her (or want to) when their loved ones die. They want closure, but instead of it, they get told blah blah, "was it a fe-- male?" start with an "a" err, "m" or "e"? Died in a "acc-- drown-- car--"

and they leave you to fill in the blanks. All it takes is research (like Pata did) to figure out that Browne is a hack.

[Michelle]

well I guess everyone has to have something to believe in.....

I like her .. I like watching her ... I think there are certain people who can do what she does.....

but that is what i believe in....
not everyone does.... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wiseguy.gif

[Sandman]

Quote from:http://www.creationists.org/spirits.html

God has a lot to say in the Bible on the topic of whether or not we should make attempts to contact the dead or other spirits (i.e. angels, saints, deceased family members or friends, etc). He also addresses the issue of reincarnation. His commands to us on these issues are unambiguous. First, reincarnation is a fairy tale. Second, we should make no attempts whatsoever to seek contact with dead relatives, friends or anyone else including "saints" and the Virgin Mary. God clearly tells us that it is not possible for us to contact our deceased loved ones, and that there are great spiritual dangers lurking for those who attempt to do so.

[oakhurstleaf]

I've seen her many of times on Larry king...I find her very entertaining and intriguing...but I cannot say I'm a believer. I'm a skeptic when it comes to this stuff.

[beautiful_mess38]

Originally posted by Patagoniamaniac:
what has she predicted that has come true? I'm really curious...plus, I dont think we have the choice to come back when we are in heaven. Thats a done deal..why would there be hell?...we only get one chance ..you should know that messy..The bible doesnt mention that we can return to earth as a different person to become a better person so on and so on...if it does please give me the scripture. I have a really good friend that is really into angels and spiritual guides. She believes that we were sisters in a past life...she also says that the angels speak to her all the time..I'm not sure what to think about this...I believe we have angels that protect us but...I done believe they should be worshipped and looked to for guidance more than God...I'm just confused about this stuff..I just prayed for discernment last night..I believe I'll just stick to what is in the word...the truth...

I do not beleave that you can have a conversation with an angel. She maybe having a conversation with her spirit guide though.
I for one have done alot of research. I do not beleave we are here just one time and that you get one chance. Resurection is in the Bible once and that is with Jesus.
Dying and then coming back was never documented. Thats why its not in the Bible. How do you know when you die and then come back. You don't know what you were in a past life. Again thats why its not in the Bible. Thats why you need to read more books on the subject.

All pyhsics are not BS either. I was read by a physic and she was right on with not just past events but future ones too that have already happend.

Nobody really knows the unknown Pata. You can research life after death and beleave or not. However; there is one way to find out. When you get to heaven ask him. Also ask him if there is a "hell". I beleave there isn't. But thats another topic.

If your really curious go to the new Physic in town and ask her who you were in your past life.

[oakhurstleaf]

First, reincarnation is a fairy tale. Second, we should make no attempts whatsoever to seek contact with dead relatives, friends or anyone else including "saints" and the Virgin Mary. God clearly tells us that it is not possible for us to contact our deceased loved ones, and that there are great spiritual dangers lurking for those who attempt to do so.

Do you ever think that God has changed his mind about maybe this and some other things since Biblical times? Anything's possible, isn't it?

[beautiful_mess38]

Originally posted by Sandman:
Quote from:http://www.creationists.org/spirits.html

God has a lot to say in the Bible on the topic of whether or not we should make attempts to contact the dead or other spirits (i.e. angels, saints, deceased family members or friends, etc). He also addresses the issue of reincarnation. His commands to us on these issues are unambiguous. First, reincarnation is a fairy tale. Second, we should make no attempts whatsoever to seek contact with dead relatives, friends or anyone else including "saints" and the Virgin Mary. God clearly tells us that it is not possible for us to contact our deceased loved ones, and that there are great spiritual dangers lurking for those who attempt to do so.

First of all. Spirits come to visit us all the time. I do not see any kind of evil in contacting a spirit or evil in a spirit visiting us.
The Virgin Mary wasn't even dead yet. How can God put anything in the Bible when he didn't write the Bible.

Ask yourself where did the info come from that makes up the Bible.

If God is against spirtual visits why do they come to visit us? Why do Guardian Angels visit us? Why do Spirit Guides come to visit?

Heaven isn't off limits to us, dead or alive. He wants you to know.
He wants you to know all about it. "people whom have died and have come back" If God didn't want you to remember what it was like the 10 min. while you were dead wouldn't he make sure you didn't. But, they do remember and the do tell. Have you ever met someone that has died then came back, I have. I've personnaly read "90 minutes in Heaven" and "Through the Gates of Heaven". As a matter of fact Pastor Cody recommended Through the Gates of Heaven to me. Both incredible stories.

What about prayer. Are we just supposed to pray to God/Jesus.
Do you go to your loved ones grave and talk to him/her. Is that evil.

Our souls are supposed to be eternal right.

Plato and Julius Ceaser beleaved in Reincarnation. The Egyptions and Celts beleaved in it also.

There is no proof. It's up to you to get all the info you can and make the decision yourself.

[beautiful_mess38]

Here Pata I found something for you to read;

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/r/reincarnation.html


http://www.comparativereligion.com/reincarnation.html

[Newcomer]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:



First of all. Spirits come to visit us all the time. I do not see any kind of evil in contacting a spirit or evil in a spirit visiting us.

BM Are you talking about that regular delivery of Red Wine that you setup to be delivered to your house each week from that last wine tour?
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[beautiful_mess38]

exactly!! as a matter of fact i missed the ups truck yesterday. Today my wine (spirits) was finally delivered.http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/messy.gif

Oh and its every month not week http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rofl5.gif

[Patagoniamaniac]

Originally posted by Sandman:
Quote from:http://www.creationists.org/spirits.html

God has a lot to say in the Bible on the topic of whether or not we should make attempts to contact the dead or other spirits (i.e. angels, saints, deceased family members or friends, etc). He also addresses the issue of reincarnation. His commands to us on these issues are unambiguous. First, reincarnation is a fairy tale. Second, we should make no attempts whatsoever to seek contact with dead relatives, friends or anyone else including "saints" and the Virgin Mary. God clearly tells us that it is not possible for us to contact our deceased loved ones, and that there are great spiritual dangers lurking for those who attempt to do so.



Thats is exactly how I feel...

When satan fell he took with him 1/3 of heaven. how do you decipher what is a good angel or bad. Remember ...satan comes as an angel of light...just to decieve us and lead us away from God...THats why I worry about my friend..she never speaks of God but of angels and how they guide and help her daily...she told me that my Angels's name is Larry.... I truly love my friend she's awesome, but what do I say to her...I just have a really hard time believing that Angels can directly commune with us.....it is dangerous... you are opening yourself up to another realm..kinda like playing with a ouiji board..I just dont know how to tell her that I just dont believe...

another thing I felt sylvia was wrong about is the fact that she mentioned there are no demons...I KNOW for a fact there are..because I have had encounters with them...I've explained that in past posts..I know there are principalities and spiritual warfare going on around us constantly..the bible speaks of it...

[Californee Girl]

*insert radical christian views against false prophets here*

[beautiful_mess38]

If she's a good friend you should be able to talk with her about it. Me and my friends disagree but we still respect each others opinions.

Personnaly, I think she's beleaving to much in Angels and not in God. Afer all God is the one the assigns Angels thier tasks.

And remember Angels were never people. And a person that dies can never become an Angel. Only God creates Angels.

[Yosemite Joy]

Ok, a couple of things to say here for clarification ladies.

First of all, Pata, you say you have dealt with demons (ok just typing that word is sort of creepy). Are demons evil angels? If demons are "fallen" angels or similar, than would it not be possible to talk with (communicate) with "good" angels? Really just a question, I don't know.

And Messy, a couple of things. Pata has told you that she believes it to be of her best interest not to indulge in psychic [nonsense] affairs personally. Yet, you want her to read books on it, and go to a psychic. I think that she should talk to her Pastor or someone near her beliefs about her questions. It is like telling a Christian to say G-d d.... it fifteen times, it isn't her belief system.

And if there is no Hell Messy (and I actually hope there is one) where do Mussolini and Hitler reside currently? I sure as hell [excuse it] take comfort in thinking that they are damned for all of eternity. (Could be that pesky Catholic upbringing messing with my head though).

[Yosemite Joy]

Justify this.

Let's look back to just one particularly cruel hoax perpetrated by this woman Browne. Years ago on Montel Williams' show, she spoke to the grandmother of a local missing child, a six-year-old named Opal Jo Jennings who disappeared from her home in north Texas in March of 1999. Browne told the distraught woman that the child was still alive but had been sold into white slavery and was currently being held in Japan. She even gave a city name, but there is no such city in Japan. Moving ahead three years and nine months, we find that the body of little Opal was recovered — just seven weeks ago; she had been killed by a blow to the head. Currently, there is a man in prison in Texas who has confessed to, and been convicted of, Opal Jo's abduction and murder.

Think about what's happened here: Sylvia Browne callously raised the hopes of the family of this little child, placing the fictitious location on the other side of the world. She did this well after a comprehensive search had already been performed in Texas, so she was pretty sure that the girl would never be found. She thought she was safe against exposure. She wasn't; the body was found and definitively identified. That was a callous, cruel, manipulative act by Sylvia Browne. But no one calls her to account for it, and her supporters continue on in Lotusland cooing over her wonderful powers. You have to wonder how someone can do such a heartless act. Sylvia can, and does.

Before you jump to the reply, read the rest of the article. I am offically DISGUSTED.

http://www.randi.org/jr/030504newsweek.html#10

[Mysteefied]

I prefer Miss Bonnie http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/blush.gif

[Patagoniamaniac]

Originally posted by oakhurstleaf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">First, reincarnation is a fairy tale. Second, we should make no attempts whatsoever to seek contact with dead relatives, friends or anyone else including "saints" and the Virgin Mary. God clearly tells us that it is not possible for us to contact our deceased loved ones, and that there are great spiritual dangers lurking for those who attempt to do so.

Do you ever think that God has changed his mind about maybe this and some other things since Biblical times? Anything's possible, isn't it? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Revelation 22:18-9 which states:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."

I do Believe that the bible is God inspired..so many prophecy's fulfilled. I believe in what the word says... and I dont go any further than that...

God is the same yesterday today and forever
Hebrews 13:8 ...

[jan]

Everyone has their own opinions, why do you think there are soooooo many different religions.
To each his own

[Michelle]

i second that mom

[beautiful_mess38]

Originally posted by Yosemite Joy:
Ok, a couple of things to say here for clarification ladies.

First of all, Pata, you say you have dealt with demons (ok just typing that word is sort of creepy). Are demons evil angels? If demons are "fallen" angels or similar, than would it not be possible to talk with (communicate) with "good" angels? Really just a question, I don't know.

And Messy, a couple of things. Pata has told you that she believes it to be of her best interest not to indulge in psychic [nonsense] affairs personally. Yet, you want her to read books on it, and go to a psychic. I think that she should talk to her Pastor or someone near her beliefs about her questions. It is like telling a Christian to say G-d d.... it fifteen times, it isn't her belief system.

And if there is no Hell Messy (and I actually hope there is one) where do Mussolini and Hitler reside currently? I sure as hell [excuse it] take comfort in thinking that they are damned for all of eternity. (Could be that pesky Catholic upbringing messing with my head though).

First of all YJ, Pata and I are friends. I would never be cruel to her, like some people on this forum has.

I simply told her if she wanted to research it and if she wanted to find out what Sylvia was about.
I know what Pata is all about. And I totally love her and respect her for it. I know that her and I can sit down and discuss this over Starbucks and leave hugging each other.

I beleave in an eternal soul. She beleaves its eternal just in heaven. Good for her. And good for me with sticking to my opinion.

Of all the things I have written in this thread, you did not read that I beleave in predictions. Sylvia's or any other physic. The worlds future is very hard to predict.

I went to a physic once because I was in such a dark place and needed hope, path, something. As a matter of fact she wasnt going to read me because I gave off such bad energy. But the reading was fine and she was right on. I dont find any reason for me to go now because I'm content with my life. Before I didnt know which way to turn.

My belief in Sylvia Browne is more on the spiritual side. And has you read I have researched not just her info but others and formed my own opinion. Had I not read her first book "On the other side" I would have never researched further myself.
I formed my own opinion and am very comfortable with it.

The belief in re-incarnation goes back before Christ and before the Bible.
Thats why I'm a Christian. I'm not stuck in one religion and live how they beleave. I can be a Christian but have the freedom to forum my own opinion.

I can throw alot out there for debate like I did on Christ's lineage. But I will never ever insult anyone for thier beliefs. Thats just bad stuff and is a cause for no respect and alot of hate.

As far as hell and my beliefs in it, do you really want to hear what I have to say YJ?

[Patagoniamaniac]

now girls....I didnt mean for this to get heated..I was just curious about some things....We all have our own opinions and beliefs. ...I have friends who believe in many different things as I do..I never let that get in the way of our friendship. Thats why I've said nothing to my friend who is extremly new agy..thats her perogative..I still love her and messy you too......life would be boring if people were not diverse....

[Michelle]

wow, everyone believes something different if we all believed the same and all that then the world wouldn't go around... make sense...

lets not let it get to heated you guys...

everyone is friends...

i met Sylvia Brown and went to school with her son.. who can read mines but he wasn't allowed to do that in the house with all of us...

I love watching Sylvia Brown on tv.....

but that is me...


Pata seen your son last week at the tournamnet basketball games with the school.(coarsegold)
Coarsegold won ...my son cory was playing...your son is as cute in person as pictures.... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Yosemite_Wolf]

all i know that there are visitations from spirits. As messy said in another thread, angels can visit, but they arent and were never human. I don;t look at spirit visits in a religious or non religious way... and who can say if there is or isnt a hell? have you been there and come back YJ? cos thats they only way we will know it the two exist.... is by visiting. I also believe in past lives.. ever heard of the terms "old soul" and "young soul"

Michelle is exactly right... everyone has the right to believe in what they believe in... no one is wrong or right.. thats why religious and political debates are pointless!

[Yosemite Joy]

I didn't know that Psychic crap was "religious debate".

I may be an abrasive ***** (we are allowed to call ourselves names eh?) but I wanted to know the answers to the questions I asked.

If someone wants to pray to a doorknob and claim the door has spirits in it because a book/movie/voice in their head/fortune teller told them, good for them. It makes no difference to me really, we all live our own lives, I just was confused about a couple things you guys said, out of my own ignorance and/or beliefs.

Blah, no I haven't been to the "end and back", what does that have to do with anything? Why are you asking me that? Why not ask Pata or Messy or someone else? What are the basis of their beliefs? Have you lived my life Yosemite Wolf? Nope.

I never said there wasn't a heaven or hell. You need to read the entire thread "Wolf" because your friend said that, not me. So ask her if she's ever been there and back.

[beautiful_mess38]

Have I ever been to hell and back. Sure when I lived with Sh*thead.
Have I ever been to heaven, have never died then came back to tell the story. The books I've mentioned will tell you what it's like if you choose to beleave them.

I do beleave Wolfie read the whole thread.


My version of going to hell when you die is different. And its a whole other debate.

However; we can debate as long as it's stays nice and doesn't get nasty. Then it's no fun. I can talk religion with Pata all day long and we would have a good time. Even though on some issue's we would disagree.

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
Have I ever been to hell and back. Sure when I lived with Sh*thead.


http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gifI can say the same, but I call him a different name.

[frmmts2sea]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rofl5.gif

[Summer]

I enjoy listening to Sylvia but I don't like looking at her. She's kind of slovenly and I hate those long claw nails and how she bites down on one when she's thinking. Gross!

[Patagoniamaniac]

oh I know that totaly bugs me too..when she slowly bites her index nail..ewww..

[Summer]

I had the good fortune of being able to be home last Wed. and watch Sylvia on Montel. I still can't get over those nails! Not only are they long now, but they are curved over and truly look clawlike. What is she thinking?! Anyhow, I remember she used to end the show by making a statement for the viewers like where best not to travel, or to be aware of the outcome of a certain event. She didn't do that this time and I wonder if she no longer does that at the end of the show? I have a few tapes of her from a conference given to me by a friend and they are very uplifting. She does indeed believe in God and afterlife (even for the animals!). I believe she does a service to people in that she lets them know their loved ones are just fine after death - in fact they have moved on doing their work on the other side. She has a great sense of humor, too. Like she said last week "they don't rest in peace" - they're "working their butts off over there"!

[Yosemite Joy]

You should read her predictions at wikipedia.

[Summer]

I read it. It's garbage.

[Yosemite Joy]

Hahahaha.. they are her predictions. You can use the "wayback machine" and read her site before she changed it and read the exact predictions.

[Californee Girl]

I dont know who Sylvia Brown is or whatever it is she does, but I see that she is some sort of psychic, yes? Since this is in a Spirituality thread has anyone ever considered what the Bible says about prophets? Have this persons predictions been tested against the Bible? Do her predictions serve a religious purpose or is it strictly for entertainment?

[Summer]

I don't give a hoot about predictions. I am only interested in Brownes theory of life after death and her connection with people who crossed over. As for that wikidiki website or whatever it was it looked like a free for all where anyone could post whatever they felt about her predictions. If you know anything about her you would understand predictions are a very minimal part of her work. She always says she is guided by God or angels. In my book that is spiritual. OK, gotta run to the food board and discuss Angel food or Devils food cake. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/mask.gif