Andy Rooney

[beautiful_mess38]

I'm surprised CBS let him get away with this even though I think he is right.

AMEN ANDY ROONEY !

Right on, Andy Rooney!
Andy Rooney said on "60 Minutes" a few weeks back:

I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens...Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

I believe they are called the Boy Scouts for a reason, that is why there are no girls allowed. Girls belong in the Girl Scouts!! ARE YOU LISTENING MARTHA BURKE?

I think that if you feel homosexuality is wrong, it is not a phobia, it is an opinion.

I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.

When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.

I believe that if you are selling me a milkshake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in English! As a matter of fact, if you want to be an American citizen, you should have to speak English!

My father and grandfather didn't die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come over and disrespect ours.

I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a-- if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.

I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you are qualified for any special loan programs, government sponsored bank loans or tax breaks, etc., so you can open a hotel, coffee shop, trinket store, or any other business.

We did not go to the aid of certain foreign countries and risk our lives in wars to defend their freedoms, so that decades later they could come over here and tell us our constitution is a living document; and open to their interpretations.

I don't hate the rich. I don't pity the poor!

I know pro wrestling is fake, but so are movies and television. That doesn't stop you from watching them.

I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue to make more. If it ticks you off, go and invent the next operating system that's better, and put your name on the building.

It doesn't take a whole village to raise a child right, but it does take a parent to stand up to the kid; and smack their little behinds when necessary, and say "NO!"

I think tattoos and piercing are fine if you want them, but please don't pretend they are a political statement. And, please, stay home until that new lip ring heals. I! don't want to look at your ugly infected mouth as you serve me French fries!

I am sick of "Political Correctness." I know a lot of black people, and not a single one of them was born in Africa; so how can they be "African-Americans"? Besides, Africa is a continent. I don't go around saying I am a European-American because my great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was from Europe. I am proud to be from America! and nowhere else.

[Yosemite Joy]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/rooney4.asp

Moreover, Andy Rooney himself denied it in 2003, saying:
About a year ago, I became aware of a more serious theft of my name and it is so hurtful to my reputation that it calls for legal action against the thief. Hundreds of people have written asking if I really wrote the 20 detestable remarks made under my name that have had such wide circulation on the Internet.

Some of the remarks, which I will not repeat here, are viciously racist and the spirit of the whole thing is nasty, mean and totally inconsistent with my philosophy of life. It is apparent that the list of comments has been read by hundreds of thousands of Americans, many of whom must believe that it accurately represents opinions of mine that I don't dare express in my column or on television. It is seriously damaging to my reputation.
Mr. Rooney disclaimed the above-quoted piece again in his 60 Minutes segment of 23 October 2005, saying of it:
There's a collection of racist and sexist remarks on the Internet under a picture of me with the caption ‘ANDY ROONEY SAID ON 60 MINUTES.’ If I could find the person who did write it using my name I would sue him.
The final two items on the list are probably a good tipoff that either this collection was written (by an as-yet unidentified author) as a parody of the "A Few Minutes with Andy Rooney" spots on 60 Minutes, or someone appended Andy Rooney's name to an unattributed piece because it "seemed like something he would say." Either way, whoever created this version appears to have lifted some parts from an earlier piece known as "Yes, I Guess I am A BAD American" and falsely credited to comedian George Carlin.



I have to say that it is a racist dribble, sprouting horrible intolerance and hatred. What the heck? Did you read it first Messy? It's terrible!!!!

[tocools]

I loved it.

How is it so terrible? Most of it is the truth and this is the USA we DO have the FREEDOM of speech or is that just for people that hate Bush?

And yes I did read it and printed it out http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

[Lacey]

I didn't read the whole thing yet, but I actually saw him when he said this stuff on 60 minutes. I think what he actually said has been changed in the written form. What he said on 60 minutes was very good and made great sense and was thought provoking. I've always liked him. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Yosemite Joy]

Hey guys it isn't true! It is made up, Andy Rooney never said this racist garbage!

In my reply I quoted Andy Rooney's response to this, and he says himself that the statements are "are viciously racist and the spirit of the whole thing is nasty, mean and totally inconsistent with my philosophy of life."

Hello? Guess you didn't click my link or read my post.

The false statements are racist and horrid! To agree with most of that is a sad, sad thing.

Freedom of speech is fine, it is terrible because it is RACIST AND IGNORANT RANTING!!!


It makes me sick to think that I correspond with people who think racisim is hilarious.

"I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off."

If this **** is the sort of mantra in your life, I pity you.

[Yosemite Joy]

Andy Rooney has been slammed a lot for being a "liberal" and a "commie"..

Here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/31/60minutes/rooney/main581171.shtml

The real cbs site. Andy Rooney himself says,"I tend to be more liberal than conservative, but don't count on it. I'm not middle-of-the-road. I'm all over the road."

He's not a ultra conservative racist. The people who like the racist remarks above should be embarrassed.

I am embarrassed for you.

[Coldwolf]

There might be one or two snivlets of common sense in that fake Rooney post, but the overall is one of racism and intolerence.

Lacey, you remember Rooney saying the things he said he never said? He never said them and posted disclaimers and denounced them as not his words. Why??? Because they are not his words. He said the spirit of them is racist.

And if ya'll can't see the intolerence and hatred in them, I'm sorry. You need help.

[Lacey]

No Cold Wolf, I said that I saw the show he said them on. But that the written words had been changed. He did make that commentary. I remember it because what he was saying made me think alot about how we live today. That we have to be so careful about HOW we say whatever we say because someone out there may take offense. About how kids rode their bikes for a gazillion years without having to wrap up like robots to do it and about how we used to be able to let our kids play outside without fear of them being shot or snatched.

I SAID that I didn't read the article as written up above. My point was...he made the commentary, but it was not as written. I remember the comment about the BOY SCOUTS! I remember the remark about 70% of the people arrested in a predominately black area being black as not being a racial remark. And the statement about needing to speak English to sell products in our country...(to paraphrase). What is racist about these remarks? I actually SAW him say these things and thought he was right on!!

Some of these seemed to be different than how he had said them on television, though. That's why I said that I think they had been changed when written and I didn't read the whole thing to see if any of them were really bad. Now that someone here says I should be embarrassed about liking what the guy says, I will go read them. But one thing I do agree with...you sure have to be careful these days about how you say things. Someone always seems to take offense. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif

[Yosemite Joy]

Ok for the final time, Andy Rooney said NONE OF THESE THINGS!

THESE ARE NOT FROM ANDY ROONEYS COMMENTARY, THEY ARE NOT HIS QUOTES, THIS IS MADE UP.

HE SAID NONE OF IT!

"The guy" said none of it. None. Ok that is the final time I will repeat it. Oh hell, he said NONE OF IT!

Yeah, well excuse the non-racist society for taking offense to such redneck sounding racism.

People from all over the world come to live in America. If they don't speak english, clearly, or fluetly, we should let the police shoot them? So, don't go visit Germany, if the police tell you to freeze in German, and you don't understand you deserve to be shot.

I mean come on, agreeing with whatever racist bigot who wrote this... well.. you are what you eat.

[Average Joe]

Some times it's better to just let go...

[Yosemite Joy]

Yeah.. you are right.


*lets it go*

Who cares anyway?

Bleh.

There is a pressing issue in this town today. I was unable to locate any snowballs (not that kind, the chocolate, frosting filled, marshmellow/coconut outside kind).

I checked Chevron, raleys... nothin.

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif

I want a snowball.

[beautiful_mess38]

I put that in there to liven things up a bit. I know Rooney didn't make those remarks. However; I too watched the show after they were written. You really don't know for sure how Rooney feels about this. Heck he might even agree with some of them. He surely isnt going to say it publicly.
But, I must admit I agree with some of them.

I was talking to another forum member about this. The member kept asking have you gotten slammed yet. I replied "oh thats coming. But the forum needs some juice to get people off thier seats things are getting a little dull".

[jakobscalpel]

"oh thats coming. But the forum needs some juice to get people off thier seats things are getting a little dull".

Please read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) and write a three page essay on the hidden merits of trolling, due this Friday.

[Average Joe]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif2.) Trolling Is Prohibited:
Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks. http://oakhurstforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4516090842/m/126104267 http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wiseguy.gif

[concerned]

Oe of the reasons I watch 60 Minutes is to hear what he has to say. He might be somewhat of a curmudgeon but he usually hits the nail on the head and is funny, As for the words liberal and commie, ridiculous. The two things are 180% apart.

[tocools]

I love A.R. he's like a older version of me http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

Leave it to BM to have a party anywhere she goes lol.
No snowballs in Oakhurst at all??? I am so sorry YJ hope you find some soon http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[John @ 3300ft.]

Guns do not make you a killer. I think killing makes you a killer. You can kill someone with a baseball bat or a car, but no one is trying to ban you from driving to the ball game.

This is the surest tipoff that he never said those things on 60 Minutes.

[Yosemite Joy]

I sent the husband out last night and he found a package at mini mart!

Yay!

And Messy, he wrote an article in the Sacramento Bee, titled "My name has been Stolen"

I read the article through a search on google,
here (IT IS A NEOCON LOVIN' REPUBLICAN RIGHT WHING JIBBERISH SITE! CLICK IT!! ) http://www.celebrityhypocrites.com/andyrooneyarticle.html...

Yeah, but see, people who agree with shooting immigrants, and slamming blacks, and their slavery ancestory, while spanking their kids, don't usually want to admit that to the general public. This isn't 1960, to be racist isn't cool, it isn't ok, it is an old idea of ignorance and intolerance.

[beautiful_mess38]

Originally posted by jakobscalpel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"oh thats coming. But the forum needs some juice to get people off thier seats things are getting a little dull".

Please read this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) and write a three page essay on the hidden merits of trolling, due this Friday. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bite Me..if you get angry it's your problem. Go to the Govt. thread see what happens to you there. Talk about "trolling" it's there everyday. I said "to liven things up" by the way.
YJ..I watched what he said on 60 min.

[Yosemite Joy]

Ok if you insist you watched what has been proven by numerous accounts, including an article in a newspaper that Rooney himself penned, then fine.

De Nile, it ain't just a river anymore.

[Yosemite Joy]

*yawn*

[Yosemite_Wolf]

either Messy and Lacey really saw Rooney say those things on 60 min... or they are both are both experiencing the same hallucinations. I happen to believe what was said.. whether by or not by Rooney.. so that makes me a racist? no it makes me a proud American. Joe... what Messy posted was not "trolling" if you have a problem with it then dont read the post.

and why is it ok for some ppl to make their dislikes known.. rant and rave.. but not for others? Mmmmm.

[Yosemite Joy]

It isn't that someone can't rant and rave. It is that I prefer my online adventures to be free of racism and hate.

Andy Rooney did not quip any of this.

People just don't get it.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

so its ok to rant and rave as long as it is compatable to your belief system... ok. whatever!

[Average Joe]

Originally posted by Yosemite_Wolf:
either Messy and Lacey really saw Rooney say those things on 60 min... or they are both are both experiencing the same hallucinations. I happen to believe what was said.. whether by or not by Rooney.. so that makes me a racist? no it makes me a proud American. Joe... what Messy posted was not "trolling" if you have a problem with it then dont read the post.

and why is it ok for some ppl to make their dislikes known.. rant and rave.. but not for others? Mmmmm. Originally posted by Average Joe:
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif2.) Trolling Is Prohibited:
Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks. http://oakhurstforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4516090842/m/126104267 http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wiseguy.gif <span class="ev_code_RED">You see I was making the point that she did not post this with the intent to make others angry or to insult others, she was just trying to stir things up a bit. I did not say she was trolling ! So please chill out and don't try to tell me what to read !</span>

[Coldwolf]

YJs link didn't work, but This One (http://www.celebrityhypocrites.com/andyrooneyvsdrdave.html) might. Rooney and CBS were trying to get to the bottom of the remarks that he never said. What is wryly funny is that the website that posted the misquoted Rooney article was doing it as a patriot thing. I want to know how its patriotic to be anti black and anti immigrant.
I want to know why being against the tenets of American freedom is considered to be anything but facsist.
I want to know why people think that not speaking proper English is anti American.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

no cold wolf.. not improper english... but english. When I go abroad I do my best to try my hand at the language. But when ppl come here, establish schools where only their original language is taught... thats wrong. Im sick and tired of American CItizen not being able to go to University because they have to let in so many immigrants etc etc.. case in points the Hmongs in Fresno., They get free education money etc etc.. whilst our blue blooded youth have to work and work and work to pay for college.. when and IF they can get into college.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Originally posted by Average Joe:
http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif2.) Trolling Is Prohibited:
Trolling is whenever someone is clearly, deliberately posting in a manner for the purpose of angering and/or insulting the other participants of the board. Trolling DOES NOT encourage further discussion in the long run, it only encourages personal attacks. http://oakhurstforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4516090842/m/126104267 http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wiseguy.gif

looks to me like you were accusing her of trolling.....

[Yosemite Joy]

Let us remember that those Hmongs are American citizens now, immigrants or not.

They have the right to do whatever they want. Have you no empathy about what it would be like to come from another country, that is full of civil war and horrible conditions? What it would be like to board a plane, the only way to save yourself, leave your country, the only place you have ever lived and known, in hopes of giving the next generation a chance in life?

You can all agree with whatever bigot crap is above, go for it. It is your American right to agree with a racist.


But Andy Rooney did not say any of it.

[Average Joe]

That was showing what is considered trolling on this forum and that what she was doing did not meet that definition. So maybe you should look a little deeper next time and back off with all the drama.

[beautiful_mess38]

YJ, Wolfie is not a racist. If my kid got won over by a Hmong to get into a school or a job I would be pissed. My kid was born here and deserves the right before a Hmong or any other immigrant.
I am not a racist. However; I do agree with some of the above. It has absolutely nothing to do with racism. So get off that horse and hop on another.

[jakobscalpel]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
Bite Me..if you get angry it's your problem. Go to the Govt. thread see what happens to you there. Talk about "trolling" it's there everyday. I said "to liven things up" by the way.
YJ..I watched what he said on 60 min.

I'd prefer not to take your advice. Biting another would be a bad example for my two year old, who needs no further incentives.

To clarify:
1. I wasn't angry
2. I wasn't offended by your initial post in any way, shape, or form
3. My "trolling" post was meant in jest, since you said you were expecting to get "slammed" for your initial post.

But you accomplished your mission right? Juicy.

[Yosemite Joy]

Furthermore, I was not saying that "wolfie" was a racist. I said that if you agree with the first post, your own, that if you don't understand "freeze" in english, because you are an immigrant, you should be shot, and the other dribble, you are agreeing to be racist.

The entire email spam that supposedly was written by Mr. Rooney is on the snopes link I gave in my first response. It goes on to talk about crack babies, etc.

I have my Snowballs now, and am enjoying one as I type this with coconut fingers and a milk mustache. That's what matters. Snowballs. Mmmm, cream filling.



*yawns sarcastically, with a moan*

[Coldwolf]

Im sick and tired of American CItizen not being able to go to University because they have to let in so many immigrants


I honestly never have heard first hand from anyone that was denied admission to a university. Well, for bad grades, but not admission to it. Not because they are American Citizens, or even because they are caucasion. Now I have heard of more and more people being denied Pell grants, and student loans. You can thank our friendly republicans for cutting funding for education.

As far as the English language topic. it was MY question. Something I was to know. My grandfather couldn't speak English well, because he learned Norsk in the home. My great grandfather couldn't speak any English when he arrived in the US. Most immigrandts can't speak English when they arrive. They learn. And those schools that teach in a foriegn language, I know that every one of them has a required English course. But teaching other classes in thier home language assures that they don't fall further behind in the other academics while they are learning to speak English. Or do you think its better to have only partially educated immigrants? Tell you what, do a google search. Type in the words "American school" and any countries capitol or major city.Or type in American school international. Thats even better. Now you tell me how having an "American school" in Paris, Berlin, Tripoli, or anywhere else is different from what you mentioned.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

My great grandparents came here speaking german and norweigan... but guess what 1 generation later my grandparents spoke english... its the idea that ppl refuse to learn the language... its the idea that I have to go to work and cant even speak to my patients who are under 30 yrs old and were born here and dont know a word of english. And believe me, I have learned how to communicate, all be it bad spanish, but I manage. When I was sick in a hospital in Sweden, no one bothered to speak English to me. And my piss poor Swedish wasnt much help cos the hospital ppl spoke very fast Swedish.
It also bugs the heck out of me when Im at work and see two Spanish speaking employees in an english speaking patients room..... speaking spanish OVER the patient. Now thats rude.. NOT racist.

now that we are way off topic......

enough.

[CatdaBrat]

I think the police should have every right to shoot your sorry a-- if you threaten them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word "freeze" or "stop" in English, see the above lines.


That comment got me to thinking ... in this fictional case, the suspects were:
a)being pursued by officers of the law
b)threatening the officers of the law

I don't see this scenario as innocent people, immigrants or not, suddenly being chased by the cops for no good reason. I would imagine that if I was a cop, and dispatch told me there was a report of a possible crime or suspicious activity going on at a certain location, and I went to go check it out, I would be leery of anyone threatening my life or safety, even if they didn't speak English.

I think the key words in the above case are "if you threaten them." Even if you don't understand the words "stop" or "freeze," if you are indeed innocent, why turn and threaten anyone, especially if you know they are armed? I doubt a language barrier would prevent anyone from recognizing uniformed police and/or guns. Common sense would dictate that you do not threaten a cop, whether you are innnocent or guilty of anything.

I don't know if I would agree with shooting to kill ... maybe shoot to injure enough so they are no longer a threat, but in a situation like that, it is pretty damn hard to aim at and hit, say, a wrist, for instance, or an appendage where a hit would be non-lethal. Cops, CO's, etc. are probably trained to go for the body mass area that will be the fastest way to stop anyone who is a threat to themselves or others.

I don't see that as being a race issue, though.

[Lacey]

There must be something wrong with me. I can't understand how this ever became a racial thread. I am confused why saying that just because you are a minority you should NOT be entitled to SPECIAL treatment is considered racist? And I don't understand why saying that, if you are going to come to this country and work and live you should be expected to learn the language is racist. I can remember when it was a requirement of getting your citizenship! And why is it racist to say that we don't like it when people come to this country to flee their own and then bad mouth us? Geez...if I gave someone refuge in my home and then they went around town putting me down, I'd be asking them to leave!! I don't see the racism there!!!

We live in a great country where people CAN come here and then trash us for being all sorts of bad, but why then can't we get angry about that treatment without being considered racist? I did not see anywhere in the original post that said we didn't want imigrants in our country. The way I read it was we didn't want imigrants to come here and then expect to be given something for nothing and badmouthing this country. Is that too much to expect?

I guess it's sort of like....I can talk bad about my family, but by God I'll sure not stand by and let anyone else do it!! (That's just an example! I don't talk bad about our country too much! Just a little! hehehe)