election for Madera Co. District Attorney

[mcdavictim]

Elections for District Attorney is around the corner. Shall we have another term of this man who has cost the County in excess of 1/4 Million dollars to defend his self against the extortion charges? ($162,000.00 awarded to the victim of his attempted extortion,) $40,000 or more fees for his defense. then there was the award to the family of the boxer who was shot with the officers hand gun when she THOUGHT it was her taiser!!! These are just a few cases!!!
Ernie Licalsi, the present D.A., lets his friends, friends of his family, and children of his friends get away with crimes. He does not temper the laws with justice. Notice how, now that it is nearing election time, that his name is appearing more and more in the local papers.
It is time for a change. If we get an honorable man in this office, maybe we can trust the legal system and the officers in this county also.
Franz Criego, the only man who has the courage to run against Licalsi, and Licalsi will hold a meeting at the Bass Lake boat house on 4/8/06 Be there to hear Licalsi make a monkey of himself.

[MadScot]

Wish I was still there so I could vote against him. Just thinking about the crap he's pulled almost ruins my day.

[Ironhorse]

I believe it was the Attorney General's Office that investigated the officer involved shooting and declined to file criminal charges against the officer. And on this last incident, wasn't it as much the fault of the DA Investigator???? Just thinking.

And I'm not defending him or saying vote for him, just suggesting that not everything can be layed at his door. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[mcdavictim]

One case, a judges son is arrested for having pot and drinking and driving-charges dropped.

another case, friends of Licals's son shoots at a school bus-no charges.

yet another case, in 2003, Licalsi's son's almost 20 year old friend and at least 2 16 year old boys,took a 15 year old girl to his apartment, got her drunk, and raped her. What did they get? I do not think that the 16 year olds got charged. the then 20 year old got 180 days in jail and probation. He does not have to register as a sex offender. Of course, these probably were white boys, these friends of Licalsi's son.
A child of color got sent to prison for an incident that happened when he was 16 years old
It was all who you know and politics!!!
AND SO IT GOES IN MADERA COUNTY.

[Ironhorse]

Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say.

[jan]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD

[jan]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
Elections for District Attorney is around the corner. Shall we have another term of this man who has cost the County in excess of 1/4 Million dollars to defend his self against the extortion charges? ($162,000.00 awarded to the victim of his attempted extortion,) $40,000 or more fees for his defense. then there was the award to the family of the boxer who was shot with the officers hand gun when she THOUGHT it was her taiser!!! These are just a few cases!!!
Ernie Licalsi, the present D.A., lets his friends, friends of his family, and children of his friends get away with crimes. He does not temper the laws with justice. Notice how, now that it is nearing election time, that his name is appearing more and more in the local papers.
It is time for a change. If we get an honorable man in this office, maybe we can trust the legal system and the officers in this county also.
Franz Criego, the only man who has the courage to run against Licalsi, and Licalsi will hold a meeting at the Bass Lake boat house on 4/8/06 Be there to hear Licalsi make a monkey of himself. NO NEW TERM,he needs out, just like you said, I agree with you 100%!!!!!!!

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not in the dark. I know who owns Madera Online, and he manipulates information to create sensationlism. He has a personal grudge against Licalsi over some things involving some people. I'm not saying that Licalsi should be re-elected, but if he's not, do it for the right reasons, not for a bunch of rhetoric. Find out how the justice system works and who has responsibility for doing what (passing sentence, etc.). Maybe some of the judges need to not be re-elected or re-appointed. It isn't just involving one man, it involves a whole system within the county, and it isn't working. Do you know, personally know, not just going by what you hear from Madera Online, the facts of the cases Madera Online spouts off about????? Or are you just taking his word for everything????????? If what you are saying isn't based on what you know for fact, instead of just what you are being told, then your decision isn't yours, you're letting Madera On-line tell you what to do. I'm just saying do your own homework, make your own decision, don't let them make it for you. And no, I probably won't be voting for Licalsi, but I'm not making my decision based on what Madera Online prints either. Just asking.

[MadScot]

The lawyers don't call it mad era for nothing. I know how the Madera legal system works I've worked with the DA and I've testified for the defense in a case too. They have no public defenders it's contracted out to the local law firms. I know a case where a boy was appointed a defender. He took depositions from all the witnesses and the accused then recused himself due a conflict of interest with his firm. He then went to work on the prosecution side. When I tried to point it out in court the judge told me shut up there was nothing wrong with it. When I testified that I had listened to the case against the boy being fabricated the judge told me I must be mistaken. I'll admit it's not just the DA but getting rid of him is a good first step.

[jan]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not in the dark. I know who owns Madera Online, and he manipulates information to create sensationlism. He has a personal grudge against Licalsi over some things involving some people. I'm not saying that Licalsi should be re-elected, but if he's not, do it for the right reasons, not for a bunch of rhetoric. Find out how the justice system works and who has responsibility for doing what (passing sentence, etc.). Maybe some of the judges need to not be re-elected or re-appointed. It isn't just involving one man, it involves a whole system within the county, and it isn't working. Do you know, personally know, not just going by what you hear from Madera Online, the facts of the cases Madera Online spouts off about????? Or are you just taking his word for everything????????? If what you are saying isn't based on what you know for fact, instead of just what you are being told, then your decision isn't yours, you're letting Madera On-line tell you what to do. I'm just saying do your own homework, make your own decision, don't let them make it for you. And no, I probably won't be voting for Licalsi, but I'm not making my decision based on what Madera Online prints either. Just asking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I saw things on a first hand basis for years in this county, my late husband was with the S.O. & the Marshalls office. so yea, I know what I am saying.
PERIOD!

[Ironhorse]

And I was in law enforcement in this county for 20+ years. So guess we each know how it works. There are definitely judges who need to go too, and defense attorneys under contract as public defenders. The whole system needs to be re-vamped, less plea bargaining, more sentences meted out. BUT, each person voting should investigate the candidates on their own and make an informed decision, not one based on one person's say-so. JMO

[jan]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
And I was in law enforcement in this county for 20+ years. So guess we each know how it works. There are definitely judges who need to go too, and defense attorneys under contract as public defenders. The whole system needs to be re-vamped, less plea bargaining, more sentences meted out. BUT, each person voting should investigate the candidates on their own and make an informed decision, not one based on one person's say-so. JMO First off, who said I beleived everything on MaderaOnline, thats assumption ,not on my part. I was only speaking from first hand experience.People just like to debate issues I guess.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
And I was in law enforcement in this county for 20+ years. So guess we each know how it works. There are definitely judges who need to go too, and defense attorneys under contract as public defenders. The whole system needs to be re-vamped, less plea bargaining, more sentences meted out. BUT, each person voting should investigate the candidates on their own and make an informed decision, not one based on one person's say-so. JMO First off, who said I beleived everything on MaderaOnline, thats assumption ,not on my part. I was only speaking from first hand experience.People just like to debate issues I guess. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Posted by jan:

"Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi,...."

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say.

In the case I have referred to, the District Attorney would not back down. Plea bargan or chance prison for 9-11. Who in their right mind would chance 11 years when he was advised he could not get a fair trial in Madera County when the judge was DeGroot. (this judge is noted for his racism)

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jan:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not in the dark. I know who owns Madera Online, and he manipulates information to create sensationlism. He has a personal grudge against Licalsi over some things involving some people. I'm not saying that Licalsi should be re-elected, but if he's not, do it for the right reasons, not for a bunch of rhetoric. Find out how the justice system works and who has responsibility for doing what (passing sentence, etc.). Maybe some of the judges need to not be re-elected or re-appointed. It isn't just involving one man, it involves a whole system within the county, and it isn't working. Do you know, personally know, not just going by what you hear from Madera Online, the facts of the cases Madera Online spouts off about????? Or are you just taking his word for everything????????? If what you are saying isn't based on what you know for fact, instead of just what you are being told, then your decision isn't yours, you're letting Madera On-line tell you what to do. I'm just saying do your own homework, make your own decision, don't let them make it for you. And no, I probably won't be voting for Licalsi, but I'm not making my decision based on what Madera Online prints either. Just asking.[/QUOTe

My anger at this D A comes from personal experience Thank you!

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say.

In the case I have referred to, the District Attorney would not back down. Plea bargan or chance prison for 9-11. Who in their right mind would chance 11 years when he was advised he could not get a fair trial in Madera County when the judge was DeGroot. (this judge is noted for his racism)[/QUOTE

noted by who?

[jan]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT The Judge has the last say????Its already decided before they ever get in the court room, so the judge pretty much goes along with a certain D>A>ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not in the dark. I know who owns Madera Online, and he manipulates information to create sensationlism. He has a personal grudge against Licalsi over some things involving some people. I'm not saying that Licalsi should be re-elected, but if he's not, do it for the right reasons, not for a bunch of rhetoric. Find out how the justice system works and who has responsibility for doing what (passing sentence, etc.). Maybe some of the judges need to not be re-elected or re-appointed. It isn't just involving one man, it involves a whole system within the county, and it isn't working. Do you know, personally know, not just going by what you hear from Madera Online, the facts of the cases Madera Online spouts off about????? Or are you just taking his word for everything????????? If what you are saying isn't based on what you know for fact, instead of just what you are being told, then your decision isn't yours, you're letting Madera On-line tell you what to do. I'm just saying do your own homework, make your own decision, don't let them make it for you. And no, I probably won't be voting for Licalsi, but I'm not making my decision based on what Madera Online prints either. Just asking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Ironhorse]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[bh90210law]

Say no Ironhorse...I just looked at a webiste that perhaps you are unfamiliar with. It appears to be well documented. And by the way it appears as if Ernie has also stabbed a former police officer in that he has denied him the ability to obtain his 80::20 pay. Instead of getting his OTJ injury pay he is now forced to live on uemployment benefits....But you should look at the doc's on the website--then spout off on what you may know about Ernie. My name should give you a clue BeverlyHillsLawyer...BH90210..Regards (www.criego4maderacountyda.org)
Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Uh, the DA does not determine the sentence meted out, the judge and/or jury decide that. The DA can make a recommendation and/or offer a plea bargain, but he doesn't decide the sentence, the judge has final say. Boy, are you in the dark! Get on MaderaOnline, and you will be amazed at LiCalsi, he needs to be VOTED OUT ASAP, people need to wake up to this, that might be what all judges are suppose to do, but when it comes to licalsi he does what he wants. PERIOD </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No not in the dark. I know who owns Madera Online, and he manipulates information to create sensationlism. He has a personal grudge against Licalsi over some things involving some people. I'm not saying that Licalsi should be re-elected, but if he's not, do it for the right reasons, not for a bunch of rhetoric. Find out how the justice system works and who has responsibility for doing what (passing sentence, etc.). Maybe some of the judges need to not be re-elected or re-appointed. It isn't just involving one man, it involves a whole system within the county, and it isn't working. Do you know, personally know, not just going by what you hear from Madera Online, the facts of the cases Madera Online spouts off about????? Or are you just taking his word for everything????????? If what you are saying isn't based on what you know for fact, instead of just what you are being told, then your decision isn't yours, you're letting Madera On-line tell you what to do. I'm just saying do your own homework, make your own decision, don't let them make it for you. And no, I probably won't be voting for Licalsi, but I'm not making my decision based on what Madera Online prints either. Just asking. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I saw things on a first hand basis for years in this county, my late husband was with the S.O. & the Marshalls office. so yea, I know what I am saying.
PERIOD! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

[Ironhorse]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bh90210law:
Say no Ironhorse...I just looked at a webiste that perhaps you are unfamiliar with. It appears to be well documented. And by the way it appears as if Ernie has also stabbed a former police officer in that he has denied him the ability to obtain his 80::20 pay. Instead of getting his OTJ injury pay he is now forced to live on uemployment benefits....But you should look at the doc's on the website--then spout off on what you may know about Ernie. My name should give you a clue BeverlyHillsLawyer...BH90210..Regards (www.criego4maderacountyda.org)
[QUOTE]

And if you're talking about the former police officer I think you are, you should do your homework and I think you'd find he's not living off unemployment. I didn't say Licalsi was not doing a bad job, what I said was don't go off the spoutings of one person, a person who doesn't always report the facts, if he can't get a statment, the innuendos start, based on rumor, not fact. That person can't even keep straight what is a county function vs a city function. As I said, the issue isn't JUST the DA in this county, it's more far reaching than that. Just like an attorney, you assume you know all the facts. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[bh90210law]

Not talking about a former police officer. And by the way, I have personally reviewed the attorney fees issue. Ernie has spent more than $268,000 on his ectortion case. Furthermore, I have reviewed his transcript which was taken at his deposition. HE KNEW BEFORE THE SHAKEDOWN THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAD WAIVED HIS DEDUCTIBLE. So why did he get involved in this very offensive manner. AND JUST ONE MORE THING, HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCES ARE PUBLIC RECORD, so if YOU care to review them you will discover that he used his campaign expenses to pay his personal expenses such as BAR dues and lending himself money. PERSONAL loan from his campaign. Now I will shut up when I ask why it was that HE could tape his former minister engaged in what was supposed to be an ectra-marital affair when he was in one of his own!

[Ironhorse]

congratulations, you have checked into the matters yourself, and that is all I am saying people should do, not rely on what is being written by Madera On-line, whose writings are tainted by the owners own personal grudges against people, not just in this matter, but other. Sheesh!

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by bh90210law:
Not talking about a former police officer.

Posted by: bh90210law
And by the way it appears as if Ernie has also stabbed a former police officer in that he has denied him the ability to obtain his 80::20 pay. Instead of getting his OTJ injury pay he is now forced to live on uemployment benefits...

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/confused.gif

[jan]

Originally posted by bh90210law:
Not talking about a former police officer. And by the way, I have personally reviewed the attorney fees issue. Ernie has spent more than $268,000 on his ectortion case. Furthermore, I have reviewed his transcript which was taken at his deposition. HE KNEW BEFORE THE SHAKEDOWN THAT THE INSURANCE COMPANY HAD WAIVED HIS DEDUCTIBLE. So why did he get involved in this very offensive manner. AND JUST ONE MORE THING, HIS CAMPAIGN FINANCES ARE PUBLIC RECORD, so if YOU care to review them you will discover that he used his campaign expenses to pay his personal expenses such as BAR dues and lending himself money. PERSONAL loan from his campaign. Now I will shut up when I ask why it was that HE could tape his former minister engaged in what was supposed to be an ectra-marital affair when he was in one of his own! LOL You GO!!

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bh90210law:
Say no Ironhorse...I just looked at a webiste that perhaps you are unfamiliar with. It appears to be well documented. And by the way it appears as if Ernie has also stabbed a former police officer in that he has denied him the ability to obtain his 80::20 pay. Instead of getting his OTJ injury pay he is now forced to live on uemployment benefits....But you should look at the doc's on the website--then spout off on what you may know about Ernie. My name should give you a clue BeverlyHillsLawyer...BH90210..Regards (www.criego4maderacountyda.org)
[QUOTE]

And if you're talking about the former police officer I think you are, you should do your homework and I think you'd find he's not living off unemployment. I didn't say Licalsi was not doing a bad job, what I said was don't go off the spoutings of one person, a person who doesn't always report the facts, if he can't get a statment, the innuendos start, based on rumor, not fact. That person can't even keep straight what is a county function vs a city function. As I said, the issue isn't JUST the DA in this county, it's more far reaching than that. Just like an attorney, you assume you know all the facts. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

I have always voted, sometimes I felt pretty uninformed when I voted and did not feel that I really understood all the issues with all the hidden agendas. Most of the times the expected results never seemed to materialize. But I always voted.
I have been talking to co-workers ,
friends, and anyone who is standing stilland listen to me. Most are good people with good sense and they DO NOT EVEN VOTE. Maybe if enough people with at least some common sense would vote, just maybe, we could have a country of higher standards, run by the people who do not have the almighty dollar as their only GOD.
If each of us could encourage just 5 persons to register to vote, think of the change that could result.

[Ironhorse]

You make a good point about using common sense. But even better is to go to the polls armed with your own research and information, stuff you get from talking to a lot of people, and/or going and watching court proceedings yourself in the instance of the DA and judges. It sounds like you have done that. At first it just sounded like some people were going off of what Madera On-line writes, and that bothered me. I have never seen such biased reporting as I see on that site. Yes, the DA and justice system in this town suck, but if we're gonna vote them out, let's make it for the right reasons, not personal issues. That's all I was trying to get across.

[bh90210law]

Sorry for the late reply, I was gone for awhile. What perchance would you consider the "right" reasons? Isn't enough that he has betrayed our trust, abused the system and then lied about all of it, while taking credit for "everything good"?

[Ironhorse]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif, chooses to miss whole point of post.