VP

[frmmts2sea]

Looks like Cheny shot his best friend while hunting. I made a mistake last night, thought he killed him...lol NOT

[Surfus]

what the heck you talking about?

what is your source?
and a better Topic title would be heplful.

this will help
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1159016,00.html

[Average Joe]

The press is having a field day with this. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Too bad he didnt hit bushbaby by mistake! (did i say that?)

[Average Joe]

Originally posted by Yosemite_Wolf:
Too bad he didnt hit bushbaby by mistake! (did i say that?) I'm sorry but that deserves a http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[frmmts2sea]

Cheny shot his close friend

don't U read or hear anything
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[MarkB]

How Lame some people are. if you have ever done any bird hunting of any type, you have probably been hit with bird shot. His may have been a bigger worry, but my bet is his age had some to do with his hospital stay.

The media can have all the fun they want. But one day go to a hunting club and walk up a crest just as a pheasant rises, you will get a pellet

After the accident, Whittington's face "looks like chicken pox, kind of.

[jakobscalpel]

Originally posted by MarkB:
How Lame some people are. if you have ever done any bird hunting of any type, you have probably been hit with bird shot. His may have been a bigger worry, but my bet is his age had some to do with his hospital stay.

The media can have all the fun they want. But one day go to a hunting club and walk up a crest just as a pheasant rises, you will get a pellet


Wow, sounds like a "blast". Where do I sign up? I guess everyone has different definitions of lame.

[MadScot]

I guess everyone has different definitions of lame
So true.

[Coldwolf]

Originally posted by MarkB:
How Lame some people are. if you have ever done any bird hunting of any type, you have probably been hit with bird shot. His may have been a bigger worry, but my bet is his age had some to do with his hospital stay.

The media can have all the fun they want. But one day go to a hunting club and walk up a crest just as a pheasant rises, you will get a pellet

After the accident, Whittington's face "looks like chicken pox, kind of.

Right, you go to a hunting ranch, where the birds are raised in pens, wings clipped, and wait, don't even bother to get the proper licences, because you're the Vice President of the United States of America, and ******* it, not one can make you obey the law. Then you shoot a friend in the face. (By the way, I've hunted, and never been shot.) And the man was in critical condition. Age????!!!! HE WAS SHOT IN THE FREAKING FACE My guess is age, and it wasn't the victims age. Then the call to the Whitehouse to informthe President conveniently omits the little itty bitty tiny whiney fact that THE VICE PRESIDENT SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE

Gimme a break Markey. The VP shot a man, at a place where you kill birds in captivity, and the press didn't hear about it for 18 hours, and the Whitehouse covered up significant facts relating to the shooting, and Cheney isn't admitting to doing anything wrong.
After the accident, Whittington's face "looks like chicken pox, kind of. except for the pellets and the blood and bandages.

[Coldwolf]

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[MarkB]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkB:
How Lame some people are. if you have ever done any bird hunting of any type, you have probably been hit with bird shot. His may have been a bigger worry, but my bet is his age had some to do with his hospital stay.

The media can have all the fun they want. But one day go to a hunting club and walk up a crest just as a pheasant rises, you will get a pellet

After the accident, Whittington's face "looks like chicken pox, kind of.

Right, you go to a hunting ranch, where the birds are raised in pens, wings clipped, and wait, don't even bother to get the proper licences, because you're the Vice President of the United States of America, and ******* it, not one can make you obey the law. Then you shoot a friend in the face. (By the way, I've hunted, and never been shot.) And the man was in critical condition. Age????!!!! HE WAS SHOT IN THE FREAKING FACE My guess is age, and it wasn't the victims age. Then the call to the Whitehouse to informthe President conveniently omits the little itty bitty tiny whiney fact that THE VICE PRESIDENT SHOT A MAN IN THE FACE

Gimme a break Markey. The VP shot a man, at a place where you kill birds in captivity, and the press didn't hear about it for 18 hours, and the Whitehouse covered up significant facts relating to the shooting, and Cheney isn't admitting to doing anything wrong.
After the accident, Whittington's face "looks like chicken pox, kind of. except for the pellets and the blood and bandages. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Well I guess you have been to a Pheasant Ranch before ... where the birds are NOT clipped ... they are raised and released .... you know it all ...Wow ... an accident makes a man EVIL i guess .... you are so right ... I mean geez ... Cache Slough is a place were neo-nazis train ... they train buy shooting birds... and because it is a club you hunt closer together then normal so that you can be in step with the Brown Shirts .... you also do not need a license in some clubs.... but you Old wise Master seem to gleem over reality and skip to your fantasy world

This is as rediculas of a story as Carters Rabbit .... get a life ... if this is all you have ... you are grasping at straws


And as a Moderator ... do you really feel speaking down to people is proper ?? I mean you did a deliberate job when you said Markey ... I would ask for more respect or for you to at leaset step down as a Moderator ... you make a mockery of this place If you decide to call me a belittling name again I will not hold back,

This is proof once again that a little power makes some people feel they are more than they really are

[Average Joe]

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[MarkB]

http://a.im.craigslist.org/ob/Kb/YVxy2abQ1iVogy8pHekdS9h2Gaw9.jpg

http://www.narsil.org/politics/carter/killer_rabbit.html
President Jimmy Carter and the "killer rabbit"
April 20th, 1979

On a fishing trip in Plains, Georgia, President Carter had an encounter with a "swamp rabbit". This seemingly trivial event was seized upon by the press and became a sort of Rorschach test of the Carter presidency: reporters and commentators saw in this story whatever they wanted to see in Carter's administration. Jody Powell, Carter's press secretary, described the affair in his 1986 book The Other Side of the Story:

It began late one afternoon in the spring of 1979. The President was sitting with a few of us on the Truman Balcony. He had recently returned from a visit to Plains, and we were talking about homefolks and how the quail were nesting and similar matters of international import.

Suddenly, for no apparent reason -- he was drinking lemonade, as I recall -- the President volunteered the information that while fishing in a pond on his farm he had sighted a large animal swimming toward him. Upon closer inspection, the animal turned out to be a rabbit. Not one of your cutesy, Easter Bunny-type rabbits, but one of those big splay-footed things that we called swamp rabbits when I was growing up.

The animal was clearly in distress, or perhaps berserk. The President confessed to having had limited experience with enraged rabbits. He was unable to reach a definite conclusion about its state of mind. What was obvious, however, was that this large, wet animal, making strange hissing noises and gnashing its teeth, was intent upon climbing into the Presidential boat.

The President then evidently shooed the critter away from his boat with a paddle. The scene was captured on film by a White House photographer.

The incident might have died of natural causes but for the fact that Powell himself later passed the story along to the press:

Several months later I was chatting with Brooks Jackson, one of the White House correspondents for the Associated Press, over a cup of tea, as I remember. For reasons that I still do not fully understand, I told him about the President and the rabbit. I was the one who leaked the killer rabbit story.

Although an experienced reporter, Brooks also failed to appreciate the significance of what he had heard. He did not rush to file an "urgent" story. In fact, he continued the conversation for some period of time and several more cups of tea. Not until the next day did he get around to sending this gripping account out over the wires to a waiting public. And even then it was a pleasant, lighthearted piece. Although he may not admit it now, I had the definite impression at the time that Brooks thought it was nothing more than a mildly amusing incident, too.

We were soon corrected. The Washington Post, exercising the news judgement that we in the White House had come to appreciate so keenly, headed the piece President Attacked by Rabbit and ran it on the front page. The more cautious New York Times boxed it on page A-12. That night, all three networks found time to report the amazing incident. But that was just the beginning.

[...]

It was a nightmare. The story ran for more than a week. The President was repeatedly asked to explain his behavior at town hall meetings, press conferences, and meetings with editors.

There was talk of a suit under the Freedom of Information Act to force release of the picture showing the President, paddle and rabbit in close proximity.

Shortly after the Reagan administration took office, they stumbled upon a copy of the picture -- apparently while searching for a foreign policy -- and reopened the old wounds by releasing it to the press.

Well - this is where I enter the story. I was 25 at the time the story broke, and I remember the furor over the incident. However, I can't recall ever having seen the aforementioned picture. Web searches turned up plenty of references to the story, but no images; the story unfortunately broke before Al Gore invented the Internet.

I contacted the friendly folks at the Jimmy Carter Library about the picture, not really expecting much help:

Greetings, Jimmy Carter Library folks. Is the infamous picture of President Carter being attacked by a rabbit while fishing available from the Library? I suspect this is a common question, and I also suspect that the standard answer is "No, and we wouldn't tell you if it were anyway." :-) Still - I figured it was worth a try.

To my amazement, I received this response:

Thank you for your photo inquiry of November 7, 2003. The 'killer rabbit' photo is available at the Library. An 8x10 color print costs $25.50: a b&w print costs $20.50. We require prepayment and will accept a credit card or a check made out to the National Archives Trust Fund.

Please contact us if we can be of further assistance.

[Sandman]

I am having deja vu here. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

I am leaving town right now, so the Moderators are in charge of keeping this topic nice.

[MarkB]

only one problem there

The Moderator is the one calling people names (in other threads) and belittling a person in htis one . It is fine to disagree, it is not fine to name call or belittle, unless that is all you have to offer. Then you should probably go to a childrens forum to act that way

[Keith]

Wow ,
The news just had on a doctor who made a statement which said;
The gentleman who was shot by Dick Cheney was moved to intensive care because one of the bird shot pellets is lodged in his heart and this has caused an irregular heartbeat http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/disappointed.gif
They went on to say that they decided to leave the shot lodged in his heart http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/stickdance.gif

Gearal Ford is probably so happy that Dan Quaile couldn't spell "potatoe"
And good old Dick Cheney shooting at "Quail"( the bird, not ex-vise president) missed and hit a Lawyer. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

[Keith]

Originally posted by MarkB:
only one problem there

The Moderator is the one calling people names (in other threads) and belittling a person in htis one . It is fine to disagree, it is not fine to name call or belittle, unless that is all you have to offer. Then you should probably go to a childrens forum to act that way

Dear, Dearest MarkB,
Please don,t jump up out of the sandbox, pickup all your toys and go home http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif.
The street lights haven't even came on yet, it's to early to leave "htis one" Sorry your words not mine. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/annoyed.gif

[MarkB]

Sorry Keith.

You can be the spelling Nazi and feel that makes you more superior. But, the truth is the things stated here are funny, if this is your critisizm of the Presidency. At least hit real issues. Just as in Carters day the Rabbit was a stupid thing to attack him on. this was an accident that happens too often at Hunting clubs .... where as this presidents lack of Care for our Southern and Norther Borders is much scarier.

But you can keep whinning about the election of 2000 and the election of 2004 if you want. Proving once again that the Democrates have no vision. or you can look towards issues like this and make this an issue when it is not. Or you can look towards the truth, and see our Nation has more to fear from our open border policy and from the lack of concern of China and it's new super power status since they got Hong Kong back ...

Naw, it is much more fun watching people complain about Chads.

Our Nation is being sold down the river by both sides. and all Certian people want to do is to concentrate on the past and silly stuff...

No matter the severity. It was a hunting accident. now move past it and sit and watch as China strips us of all oil and gas reserves ....

Yeah thats it .... do not worry about reality, fixate on a Quail

[MarkB]

but you are right ... the quail cover up is soooo important .... this stuff below is just silly .... we should worry about a hunting accident more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Meehan

Term limits

Meehan successfully ran for the House in 1992 on a platform of reform. As part of that platform Meehan made a pledge not to serve more than four terms. He won the 1992 election and was reelected to Congress every two years since, including the latest election in 2004. On the House floor in 1995 he scolded members who might go back on their promise to limit their tenure in office. "The best test of any politicians' credibility on term limits," he said, "is whether they are willing to put their careers where their mouths are and limit their own service." Despite this pledge, he again ran for Congress in the year 2000, exceeding four terms. [2]
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Wikipedia

On July 18, 2005, Meehan's staff made controversial changes to his biography on Wikipedia. These edits included the removal of facts that portrayed him in a bad light.[3] On January 27, 2006, Matt Vogel, Meehan's chief of staff, admitted to authorizing a replacement article on Meehan published on Wikipedia, with a staff-written biography.[4] This ran afoul of internal Wikipedia guidelines.
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Personal life

[Surfus]

You guys play nice or im Closeing this topic.

Big deal someone got shot he is not dead.

Someone got stabed and then went and shot the guy that stabed him the other day in Raymond.
They are both alive.
but you guys are not fighting about that.

[blacktoedog]

Here we go again taking ourselves a bit too serious. Yes, the VP shot a man in the face. He forgot the rule one of bird hunting. By not letting someone know that he was in the area. The birds are quick and you would be too if someone was going to shoot at you. For all of those who do not know by now let me inform you. This was an accident. And that since it was an accident, that’s all it was.
Yes, he shot a lawyer. I’d think that those of us who have dealt with lawyers would be overjoyed at this development. And all of those who dislike this president and vice-president will have their moment in the sun. I surely miss the days of, “Depends, what your definition of IS, is?â€� and “I did not have sexual relations with that woman!â€�. On the second one I heard that since Clinton did not think that what he done was sexual, that he was not lying when he said he did not have “relationsâ€� with that women. I would give a small fortune to have been a fly on the wall of the Clinton’s bedroom to hear Hilary’s thoughts on sexual relations. No, I am not bashing Clinton, he did a fine job of that himself, without my help.
It’s sad that some of you can’t see that like Mark B said we are being sold down the river. But, I have my canoe and paddle.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Surfus:
You guys play nice or im Closeing this topic.

Big deal someone got shot he is not dead.

Someone got stabed and then went and shot the guy that stabed him the other day in Raymond.
They are both alive.
but you guys are not fighting about that.


oh i agree 100% here .... this is not worth making a big deal about .... I guess I made a bigger deal out of why it wasnt a big deal ....

The press is making a huge deal here as well ... and ignoring the real issues that will haunt us on the future .. and guess what ... Iraq is not that issue as well ...

[frmmts2sea]

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[Coldwolf]

OK, I'll apologize for calling you Markey, MarkB. It was wrong of me

But critcizing the Vice President? My right and my good. Not my bad. I can critcize him all I want. And you can believe that people get shot in the face at hunting ranches all you want. I'm sure there are a few of these incidents every year. I'm also sure that when the VP is being served a plate of clipped wing, pen raised quail, that you drive up to shoot, that other members of his hunting party wander out in the direction of the fire. Based on real hunting experiences, I'm sure this could happen. But this ranch and the bird shooting where you drive to where someone is releasing birds for you to shoot isn't a real hunting expedition, is it? And the SS entourage, and the medical troup, and the aides that accompany the VP? No one saw him directly in front of them? There is no quail coverup. A man was shot in the face. By the Vice President. And there was no press release for almost a day. And the accounts and timelines in different releases contridict each other. See, we really don't give a damn about a quail. Its the Man shot in the face that was the news.

Just a question. If Mr Whittington dies as a result, in this state the shooter would be charged with negligent homocide, wouldn't he?

The title of this thread is VP. This particular thread is to discuss the VP. Thats Vice President, and particulary to discuss the shooting and other Cheney related items. If you want to rehash Jimmy Carter or Marty Meehan you can start a thread devoted to that.

[MarkB]

Well, I have only been to about 12 different Pheasant clubs. Only about 5 released quail as well. And only one released chuckars ... none of these places clipped any wings. and the rules were strong ... in fact they would be more angry for a dog being shot than a hunter.

I would call it a real hunting experiance ... as I have seen wild hunters on TV shoot game on the ground ... something you cannot do at any club I was a member of ... I missed too many, you can ask my dogs.

The real truth is at Hunting clubs you will probably find more accidental shootings because of the close proximity of hunters ... when I was shot I came over a ridge to have a Pheasant fly right at my face ... I also saw two hunters with guns drawn and aimed at this pheasant ... I was farther away and #8 or #6 Birdshot isnt going to do damage unless close....I got a few pellets in my vest and a little wet spot in my drawers ... but nothing compared to his partner...

as far as being charged ... I have never seen a charge in an accidental hunting death.... doesnt mean there hasnt been ... I just havent seen it ...

and as far as no story .... my bet is they are both embaressed .... This is no cover up ...

also .... when Carter was being demonized my reaction was the same ... no party line here ... I will point out where people go to far off base ... C'mon ....this is a nothing story ... the same as the Rabbit ....

You wanna get angry and live here in California ?? Get angry that The President of Mexico continues to aid in the illegals coming here ... and Bush seems to support his actions.. him and Mr Cheney ... Nafta will end up crushing our economy more then any war in Iraq or anyplace else

I pointed out Carter... I could have used so many issues with Clinton ... but the truth is ... every year no matter the party we seem to have a Wag the Dog story going on ... where we deflect the real problems with problems people can get buzzed over in a 20 second spot on quicky TV ....

[frmmts2sea]

Is VP all anyone has to talk about? Boring

[CatdaBrat]

yeah

*cat grabs a handful of average joe's popcorn*

it needs more butter and salt -- you will take care of that immediately, won't you

[BGW]

Though not a funny situation; I keep hearing the words," You coulda shot somebody's eye out!"

[CatdaBrat]

I'm risking a trap door opening underneath me here, but what you just said made me laugh out loud!

I can still hear "the grownups" repeating that age-old advice about how running with sticks or playing with bb guns was gonna put somebody's eye out. Hell, I even used to say it to my kids!

[SheilaMae]

Accidents happen - nobody plans for them or expects them - that's why they call them accidents. But above and beyond the fact that the VP was involved in this incident and however the WhiteHouse chose to handle or not handle the information or disinformation relative to it - you guys are all missing the REAL issue below the surface here....and I DO realize I risk being BLASTED by some very vocal NRA proponents by what I'm about to say and maybe some Gray Panther-ish folk too, but this is a stellar, spotlight-worthy example of one of the very good and sane reasons we need to have some forms of 'gun-control'. I wholeheartedly believe in the right to bear arms but I don't believe firearms should EVER, EVER be in the hands of the ignorant and irresponsible. Therefore - there MUST be licensing. NO EXCEPTIONS!!! Every human being should be required to demonstrate both in writing and logistically a sufficient knowledge to safely handle any type of firearm they 'may' come in contact with and be required to also possess in conjunction with any owned firearm adequate safety equipment to store said firearm. And any household with minors in residence should also be required for those minors to pass a certified firearm safety and handling course. And I know this sounds prejudicial and harsh but anyone over the age of say, 72 should have to have a doctor's certification of physical fitness to bear a firearm (vision, hearing, strength and co-ordination). After all...seniors are probably the most likely segment of our population to have a weapon intended for self defense wrestled from them and turned against themselves.

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Keith:
Wow ,
The news just had on a doctor who made a statement which said;
The gentleman who was shot by Dick Cheney was moved to intensive care because one of the bird shot pellets is lodged in his heart and this has caused an irregular heartbeat http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/disappointed.gif
They went on to say that they decided to leave the shot lodged in his heart http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/stickdance.gif

Gearal Ford is probably so happy that Dan Quaile couldn't spell "potatoe"
And good old Dick Cheney shooting at "Quail"( the bird, not ex-vise president) missed and hit a Lawyer. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif

I havent found this reported anywhere ... he did suffer a slight heart attack ... I am glad they are leaving his heart behind .. no matter how small it was ... who's toys did I take ?

[Summer]

And I know this sounds prejudicial and harsh but anyone over the age of say, 72 should have to have a doctor's certification of physical fitness to bear a firearm (vision, hearing, strength and co-ordination).
Um, I think this should also apply to having a drivers license as well. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

[Mibrew]

Yes, a really sad accident but I really dont think Cheney was out to kill someone, even though some might want to put a spin on it...

[Mibrew]

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[Keith]

I'm a Republican, Voted for Bush /Cheney http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gif.

I'm not a Nazi or aryan spell checker.( Had the Tatoo removed when I got out of Jail )

I don't pretend to be all knowing and all seeing http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/idea3.gif,
I'm a very simple person who enjoys my sandbox and tries not to be contemptuous towards people with a differant view than mine.

The only toys I'm missing from my sandbox, is a wooden cross and an ohio bluetip match..

[CatdaBrat]

Speaking of crosses and matches, I can't remember any of the details, but there were tales of cross burnings in this area at one time. One guy from Madera used to mention how he had participated in the activities more than once. I don't know if anybody else has ever heard that.

[ginpole]

The news just had on a doctor who made a statement which said;
The gentleman who was shot by Dick Cheney was moved to intensive care because one of the bird shot pellets is lodged in his heart and this has caused an irregular heartbeat
They went on to say that they decided to leave the shot lodged in his heart
fox news reported this in the afternoon on tuesday.

[MarkB]

Oh I know ... and I have four sources ... it bothers me when people make statements and do not back them up ... so yes I was being as big a jerk to him as he was to me ....

but I guess we agree to start over

[Yosemite Joy]

Bleh. This will all blow over eventually, the death of the lawyer or not.

Hopefully he survives.

We should acknowledge this hunting disaster/accident, then keep moving on. Get the troops out of Iraq, admit we were wrong, go to Turkey to watch a movie, and Impeach Bush.

Anyone else watch Frontline last night?

[Coldwolf]

Heres a question. All previous reports said that Cheney and company didn't see him approaching. That he was hidden by the brush. Right?

Then was Cheney lying when he said on Fox News interview that he saw his friend fall to the ground? "The image of him falling is something I will never be able to get out my mind," Cheney said, (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002033578) If you could see him the split second AFTER you shot him, then you could see him the split second BEFORE you shot him. So either Cheney could see the guy, and shot him anyway (which completely contradicts what Cheney's people have been saying for 5 days now), or Cheney couldn't see the guy and he's now lying to the nation in order to incur our sympathy.

Also, what about the alchol consumption he has admitted to in that same interview? He said one beer. If there was more....and then they told the police to go away...and come on, this only took 5 days to come to light.

[frmmts2sea]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/laugh.gif that's a good one. You are so very right http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
Heres a question. All previous reports said that Cheney and company didn't see him approaching. That he was hidden by the brush. Right?

Then was Cheney lying when he said on Fox News interview that he saw his friend fall to the ground? <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">"The image of him falling is something I will never be able to get out my mind," Cheney said, (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002033578) If you could see him the split second AFTER you shot him, then you could see him the split second BEFORE you shot him. So either Cheney could see the guy, and shot him anyway (which completely contradicts what Cheney's people have been saying for 5 days now), or Cheney couldn't see the guy and he's now lying to the nation in order to incur our sympathy.

Also, what about the alchol consumption he has admitted to in that same interview? He said one beer. If there was more....and then they told the police to go away...and come on, this only took 5 days to come to light. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You say you have hunted ... but apparently not much ... and never upland game .... your dog goes on point, you feel the anticipation ... the bird will rise ... even if the bird is in site you have no idea how it will rise or where it will fly or run .... you concentrate ... if you are hunting with friends they are supposed to freeze ... or back away .... unless you share the dog ... you see the bird rise ... you concentrate on the flight.... you do not want to shoot too soon because you ruin the meat ... so you follow he bird to lead it in flight.... nothing else is around.... and you fire ... then you notice your surroundings ....


Please give up ... no sane person will be convinced this was more than an accident ...

Like i said once before ... at Hastings island I walked up a ridge .... A pheasant flew right above my head... literally a foot over me ... I caught a glance of two hunters fixated on the bird ... I hit the ground not before being peppered with bird shot... I was fartheraway then a buddy hunting ... they never saw me .... we laughed ... the apologized for about an hour .... and bought lunch ....

I guess maybe this was Cheney training 18 years ago .... for his ultimate goal ... to shoot a friend....

geeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez

[Coldwolf]

I guess you are missing the point of my posts Mark. Of course it was an accident. Preventable, but an accident. But heres the thing. This wasn't one of many hunting parties on the ranch. This was the only hurting party on the ranch. It was the VPs hunting party. The Vice President of the United States was there, with a few chosen croneys. The had guns. There weren't going to be any other people withing a mile, (just a guess) with any guns, except the secret service agents.

It matters because this is our government. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002033468) And when our government starts acting all Soviet, pretending like they're untouchable gods and we're just small children who wouldn't understand, that's a problem. When the vice president almost kills a man - and the verdict is still out on whether this will turn into a negligent homicide case - the public has a right to know what happened. Was Cheney drunk? Is he ill? Are his cognitive abilities slipping?

With all due respect, it was cute that the Republicans kept Strom Thurmond propped up, Evita style, for years after he was no longer a functioning Senator, but with our vice president we have the right to know if he's still got his wits about him or not - especially when our vice president is really our president.

Now, the Republicans are clearly not happy about the increasing questions surrounding Cheney's blood alcohol level during the shooting. I hear Limbaugh went nuts over the issue (obviously, in Cheney's defense). And you know what they say, the ones you hit are the ones who scream loudest (or something like that). They sure are screaming about this, so maybe there is something to it. The public deserves some answers, and the media needs to keep on the White House until they come clean as to whether our vice president nearly killed someone while under the influence.

[frmmts2sea]

I doubt he was under the influence but he may be losing it...lol

[MarkB]

Here Coldwolf keep grasping http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:NI1HhIWMipx_GM:www.awesomecreations.n et/blog/images/color/IMG_3248-3small2.jpg

[Average Joe]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/mask.gif<span class="ev_code_RED">Anyone notice how the normally out spoken Ted Kennedy has been very silent on the whole issue of rapidly reporting news items to the press?</span>

[Coldwolf]

Once again, a witty retort from the defenders of the administration.

Mark, do you think YOU could have told the sheriff to go away and come back tomorrow if it had been you that had shot someone, accidental or not? Do you think that Cheney is above the law, above investigation? Your responses indicate you feel that way.

Any shooting deserves an investigation. One that involves the shooting of a man by the Vice President , even more so. So the hell what if he says it was an accident?

Send the sheriff away until the next day?

What kind of crap is that?

And you are defending it? My god, thats why this country is becoming such a dungheap. Because people like you not only aren't willing to hold politicians to task, you freaking defend them.

ME? Grasping at straws?

No, my friend, I think laws should be upheld.

And the law was circumvented.

[MarkB]

nope ..... I think you are so desperate you grasp at straws .. this is an non-issue ... but it is all you really have right now ...

And as my experiances with Sherriffs .... they often wait until next week ... lol .. C'mon ... there are serious issues about the Government we have ... you are being duped like so many others with non-issues ....and you say hold to task only those that you disagree with

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[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
Once again, a witty retort from the defenders of the administration.

Mark, do you think YOU could have told the sheriff to go away and come back tomorrow if it had been you that had shot someone, accidental or not? Do you think that Cheney is above the law, above investigation? Your responses indicate you feel that way.

Any shooting deserves an investigation. One that involves the shooting of a man by the Vice President , even more so. So the hell what if he says it was an accident?

Send the sheriff away until the next day?

What kind of crap is that?

And you are defending it? My god, thats why this country is becoming such a dungheap. Because people like you not only aren't willing to hold politicians to task, you freaking defend them.

ME? Grasping at straws?

No, my friend, I think laws should be upheld.

And the law was circumvented.

Wish I had the influence to send the Sheriff's away when they come knocking at my door... (Not that it has ever happened...) http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[MarkB]

Dodger girl ...

Since it was not a criminal investigation ... and if you read all the news reports no one there said it was ... any one can ask the investigation start later ...

The Shootee has come out and stated it was an accident and no alchohal was involved ...

They handled the case locally ... and the locals are fine with it ... the victum is fine with it ... just reactionaries are upset ... and in the mean time ... we outsource more and more jobs... China will be the number one super power in less than 5 Years IMO ... and we do nothing ....

But heck let's whine about Clinton's affair and Cheney's accident ...

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a typical upland game hunt ....

The victum moved forward to retrieve a bird with out letting the others know ... Yet Cheney takes full responsibilty ....

can we move on ?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by frmmts2sea:
Is VP all anyone has to talk about? Boring

Hey, you started it. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rofl5.gif

[frmmts2sea]

Mwah?

[jakobscalpel]

Originally posted by MarkB:
we outsource more and more jobs... China will be the number one super power in less than 5 Years IMO ... and we do nothing ....


It should be in another thread, but I'd be curious to hear why China will be the next superpower in less than five years.

[Yosemite Joy]

More like 50 years. Maybe he forgot the "0"...

Has anyone seen "A State of Mind"?? I rented it from Blockbuster. Doesn't have anything to do with the VP or China, it is about North Korea and their very planned, very theatrical Mass Games.

Anyone seen it? Do yourself a favor and rent it. Excellent documentary, and terrifying.

[MarkB]

Additionally, Iran and China have signed an agreement of cooperation and this has led to fears of a China-Iran alliance that might be used to threaten American interests in the strategically important Gulf region. In time of crisis, China might persuade Iran to shut down the Gulf, and cut the oil supply to east and west. This would have the immediate effect of taking American attention away from East Asia, and focusing it on the Gulf. While America military forces would be countering Iranian activities in the Gulf region, China could start moving against the United States' oil-dependent East Asia allies, particularly Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan. Iran could also use its influence to stiffle Muslim extremism within Xinjiang Province, and in oil-rich, former Soviet states along China's frontier.

http://www.cda-cdai.ca/symposia/1999/varner99.htm

[MtnEagle]

Originally posted by jakobscalpel:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkB:
we outsource more and more jobs... China will be the number one super power in less than 5 Years IMO ... and we do nothing ....


It should be in another thread, but I'd be curious to hear why China will be the next superpower in less than five years. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I know I'm going to regret this... but... The answer is quite simple...

Because we are not only letting them become one, but are helping them to become one. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif


*Anyone old enough to remember Japan buying up American Steel before Pearl Harbor?*

[MarkB]

China is building alliances with all sorts of people that do not like the West .... One large reason for an oil shortage now is China is taking more and more ... they are buying precious metals and building like crazy ... their costs of construction is low because of their low value of life for their residents ....

The article was written in 1999 ... and things have accelorated ... as we ignore this problem we outsource more things to other places to be built ....

This takes our knowledge and ideas to forign soil .... where it will be easily sold to the highest bidder ....CHINA.

MtnEagle is right .... and China is repeating the Japanese legacy in Mass.....

50 years ? LOL ... it may already be happening. Once China saw how well Hong Kong actually did working against/with the US ... they changed all tactics ....

they do not have the technology to compete with us militarily ....but they have the man power to keep up .... Economically ... they may already have equalled us

[MtnEagle]

Originally posted by MarkB:
...they do not have the technology to compete with us militarily ...

Well I might only argue that they don't necessarily need to be a technological equal to compete with us, or even kick our @$$'s

Shear numbers of troops, and their accelerated technology drive, and our willingness to rely more an more upon gadgets as we become intellectually less clever and rely upon those same gadgets.

Meanwhile it's cost effective in the short term to reduce our military and save a buck... for the sake of the Cold War being over...

...but is it really?

[MarkB]

Originally posted by MtnEagle:

Well I might only argue that they don't necessarily need to be a technological equal to compete with us, or even kick our @$$'s





If a war were to break out today .... it would have to be escalated to Nueclear quickly ... as of right now we have the technology to win in that kind of war ... they as of yet have little long range stuff.... But, this will leave quickly

[Coldwolf]

Moved to China, National security, National Debt

[Coldwolf]

So back on the VP.

From Fox News. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185290,00.html)
While the shooting of a member of his hunting party has been declared an accident, the verdict is still out on his role in the leaking of classified intelligence information by his former chief of staff.

With Republicans as well as Democrats criticizing and questioning the vice president’s actions, I think the question of whether Mr. Cheney will complete his full term in office is an appropriate and legitimate line of inquiry. Certainly, people are starting to whisper; television pundits and newspaper columnists have raised the issue. It is not unreasonable to consider the political consequences of a Cheney resignation.

There are at least three reasons why Cheney might step down before the end of his term in January of 2009:

1) He is 65 years-old and has well-documented health problems

(2) While the administration currently is embarrassed over the way he has handled his most recent problem stemming from the shooting incident, the real embarrassment could come if he is called as a witness in the trial of his former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby Jr.

(3) Republican leaders may become so worried about holding on to the presidency in 2008 that they will prevail on Cheney to resign in order to position a strong candidate for the nomination by making that person the incumbent vice president.

[MarkB]

Lets see First thing they did ...

#1 they took care of the accident victem
#2 Hospital
#3 call his relatives
and then The vice president had the land owner call the press.... the only thing wrong that happened is she called the Corpus-Chisti Caller-Times instead of AP or Rueters or the New York Times ....

man you are really building this on .....
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[Coldwolf]

You didn't even get the gist of the post, did you?
the verdict is still out on his role in the leaking of classified intelligence information by his former chief of staff.


the real embarrassment could come if he is called as a witness in the trial of his former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby Jr.

[MarkB]

Oh I got your post ... and your source of your NEW INFO

Clinton really did break the law when he did not tell the truth on the stand .... you were not convinced he needed impeachment even though he lost his Bar card due to his actions

yet now with no evidence yet... you are convinced he will need to step down .... I said before you are grasping for straws ... and now I feel your arguments are built like a house of cards...

you have to admit(even with a backhanded statement) that the hunting issue was not an issue .... so you move on another issue .... just tossing up things against the wall praying one of these days that it will stick ....

It is funny to watch people who hate Rush Limbaugh act just like him in such a reactionary way

[Surfus]

you guys are funny
Beating this topic up.

[beautiful_mess38]

Hey I'm a ditto head.

Ok I'm ready for the beating http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/spank2.gif

[Coldwolf]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
Hey I'm a ditto head.

Ok I'm ready for the beating http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/spank2.gif

Rush:"And don't forget Sherrod Brown is black. There's a racial component here, too. And the newspaper I'm reading this from is the New York Times, and they of course don't mention that." Um....Rush?Sherrod Brown (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=sherrod%20brown&sa=N&tab=wi)Do those Oxis make ya colorblind as well as stupid?

[MarkB]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
Hey I'm a ditto head.

Ok I'm ready for the beating http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/spank2.gif

Rush:"And don't forget Sherrod Brown is black. There's a racial component here, too. And the newspaper I'm reading this from is the New York Times, and they of course don't mention that." Um....Rush?Sherrod Brown (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=sherrod%20brown&sa=N&tab=wi)Do those Oxis make ya colorblind as well as stupid? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

So disagreeing with you makes me stupid? Because I didn't compare the source to Limbaugh ... I compared you to him ... jumping on stories etc. if not agreeing with the likes of you makes me stupid .... then I am glad I am stupid.... and if you want to make this more personal ...... we can ... but once again ,,,, as a moderator you stepped over the bounds of argument .... how foolish you are ...or is your "work Schedual" the issue? do all those gulps at different hours make you tired ?

Also ....the color of a person was never brought up or cared too.... I knew the color ... didnt seem to make a difference to me ... I tend to not think racially .... funny that you do

and once again since you have called me a name I would ask you to step down as moderator. And begin growing up just a tad.

[MarkB]

But I have noticed one thing here ....

Pretty typical ....

Seems whenever a certian moderator seems not to be in control ... he swears or calls names

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by MarkB:
"a tad"

Right on, he said "tad"... hilarity.


Lot's of things rhyme with "tad"...
should put it in a rhyming poem, it would be cool in a second grade type of way. Sort of like using the word "tad" as an adult.

or:
Just a dash of pepper and a tad of growing up.

or:
Grow up a tad!

Already am!

Are not!

Are so!

Poopy tad head!

Imbecile!!!!

Tad bit of imbecility!!!

I'm telling!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by MarkB:
But I have noticed one thing here ....

Pretty typical ....

Seems whenever a certian moderator seems not to be in control ... he swears or calls names
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[MarkB]

No fact based argument ... resort to name calling and personal attacks ... that is kewl ....

Seems to be a thread with you two ....

Oh and I am not whining .... I am winning, ergo the name calling by Joy and Wolf .... they have nothing else

[Surfus]

OK I received a Report on this for Name calling.
Im not seeing any dirrect name calling but this Tread is getting Dump.

Can you guys play nice?
I cant believe how people get worked up about politics.

[Average Joe]

Originally posted by Yosemite Joy:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MarkB:
But I have noticed one thing here ....

Pretty typical ....

Seems whenever a certian moderator seems not to be in control ... he swears or calls names
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[Coldwolf]

So disagreeing with you makes me stupid? Because I didn't compare the source to Limbaugh ... I compared you to him ... jumping on stories etc.
Um, MarkB, Once again you've shown your penchant for reading insults where there were none.


to quote myself:
Um....Rush? Sherrod Brown (http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=sherrod%20brown&sa=N&tab=wi) Do those Oxis make ya colorblind as well as stupid?

See, I had quoted a Rush the oxicotin poppin Limbaugh, and then shown that he was stupid, and asked, if Rush, popping the oxis made him colorblind as well as stupid. ..

So unless you are Rush Limbaugh, and you are popping oxis ...it wasn't directed at you.

I think Rush is fair game in here.

You on the otherhand are providing lots of nostalgia. Not only am I getting to hear lots of Clinton history,( remember Clinton? He was president in the 90s, but some people like to bring up history of other presidents to somehow negate the assinine policies of the current president), but also I'm getting to voice the same arguments I did with that one ex member...(what was his name?) Doesn't matter. Never did.

Long story short, although its far to late for that, the post you took offence to was neither about you, or in response to you. I was responding to Beautiful_Mess38 saying she was a dittohead. And I wasn't calling her stupid either. Just pointing out one of Rush's many foiliables

[MarkB]

I guess I expect more from a so called moderator... guess I was wrong

what did I expect for a slurpee kinna guy

[Coldwolf]

Originally posted by MarkB:
I guess I expect more from a so called moderator... guess I was wrong

what did I expect for a slurpee kinna guy
Mark, I'm not sure what you are alluding to, but attacking me, based on my choice of employment is juvenile. As for me calling names? Even the other moderators don't see it, except for the initial me calling you Mark**. I aplogized for that.
Now from this time, I'm not going to respond to any posts you make. I find it time consuming and pointless.

[Surfus]

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http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/eusa_dance.gif

Finaly Someone is going to give up!

I think this is more like a pissing match of who is going to get the last word.

[MtnEagle]

Reminds me of why I got out of the MOD biz here...

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[Average Joe]

Maybe the new owner will clean house and get things running smoother.

[frmmts2sea]

Wow, this VP has really gotten off the beaten track, huh? LMAO

[MadScot]

Can't take it anymore.

Mark, I'm not sure what you are alluding to, but attacking me, based on my choice of employment is juvenile. As for me calling names? Even the other moderators don't see it

I could be wrong Coldwolf but I think he equated your "You didn't even get the gist of the post, did you?" as calling him stupid it's the only thing I can see.

Mark you got no business talking about name calling. In your very first post in this topic you say:

How Lame some people are. if you have ever done any bird hunting of any type, you have probably been hit with bird shot. His may have been a bigger worry, but my bet is his age had some to do with his hospital stay.


Since you didn't define "some people" I don't know if you are refering to one of the previous posters or not. You leave it open for the implied insult. Since you used another undefined subject " some moderator" when refering to another poster it's logical to assume your "lame" remark may very well be refering to another poster also.

[Yosemite Joy]

I never insulted anyone. I was making jokes about it all because it is like a pissing match, and this is boring.

Mark seems to enjoy the drama because he adds fu... no not that, aerosol hairspr..., no worse, acetone to the fire again and again.

No one has called you names MarkB. Speaking for myself here I could care less about your opinion on much. I don't have time to care, and I don't really read your posts.

As for Average Joe, or whomever you may be, I don't really care about your opinion or posts either. Chuck Norris went out in the.. wait, he was never anyone but a second rate noone... whoa doggie, that could be expanded...

So as far as your defending the VP, hunting in general, heart attacks because of buck shot, and speeches about nothing (aren't they all?) who cares? I gave up protesting the truth as I see it and read it, and have decided that talking to people who agree with me are the only ones I want to talk to at all.

God himself shies from this country and it's terrible crimes on humanity, religion, and morals.

Anyone heard about Darfur lately? That is a subject that deserves attention. Google it, do something about it. **** the president, **** social security reform, **** buck shot, **** the media, and **** O'Reilly.

[Average Joe]

I guess you told us. Thanks for contributing, we always look forward to your insightfulness.

[BGW]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gifhttp://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gifhttp://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gifhttp://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif Thank You YJ for saying that.

[Surfus]

I think this pissing match is a bunch of school yard bull $hit
This is why I don’t read or post in the political topics. The only reason im posting now is you guys keep reporting the post on each other like little kids. "Daddy Tommy called me a poo poo head"
Maybe I’m just too dumb to understand it all.
Everyone has a view and that is fine but there is no reason to get all pissy at someone that does not think the same as you.
This is why there are 25 different beers and I have 50 different stoves and my show room. Not everyone likes the same thing.
Words are just words. It is not like you guys are punching each other so why the anger?

[Sandman]

Someone please buy this website and take this off my shoulders. I'm tired of babysitting.

[Surfus]

Originally posted by Sandman:
Someone please buy this website and take this off my shoulders. I'm tired of babysitting.
Mat
they are grown men why do we need to babysit?
It is just words.

[megabytebige]

Ok I have to put my two cents in.

I have been an avid hunter for going on 30 years, I have never shot any one nor have I been shot. With that said, I have hunted these kick the bird to get them to fly ranches and it appalls me that any one who claims to hunt would defend another hunter saying it was misjudgment, I did not see him. While I watch my prey I am always aware of the background, I would rather let the bird fly away then to shoot my friend or any other for that matter. If some one thinks that getting shot is acceptable then please tell me where you hunt so I can go else where. Watch the background was the first and last item taught to me.

As for the investigation, I have never, never heard of any one just telling the local police to come back later on any matter. Yes it appears to be accidental, but don’t we let the authorities determine that? I do agree with Cold, he is the VP and should be held to a higher standard then me. It if is just an accident then why not let the local cop have access immediately to determine if there any other factors, IMHO if the VP was drinking then he should be charged with at lest reckless endangerment. I own many of weapons and once I start drinking (I love my beer) on a hunting/shooting/camping trip I lock them up, no need for that much power with an impaired mind.

[MtnEagle]

Originally posted by Surfus:
This is why there are 25 different beers and I have 50 different stoves and my show room. Not everyone likes the same thing.

You have 25 beers in your showroom?

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[Oakhurst Area Forums]

Originally posted by Average Joe:
Maybe the new owner will clean house and get things running smoother.

No matter how many times you clean your house, the dirt always comes back. I wish there was a way to keep the dirt out at all times, but dirt doesn't care about coming inside your house even though its not wanted and asked to leave.

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by Oakhurst Area Forums:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Average Joe:
Maybe the new owner will clean house and get things running smoother.

No matter how many times you clean your house, the dirt always comes back. I wish there was a way to keep the dirt out at all times, but dirt doesn't care about coming inside your house even though its not wanted and asked to leave. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please be careful who you sell to.*Wish I had 5K+ to plop down*

[Average Joe]

Kids... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[frmmts2sea]

very interesting that that comes under the topic VP

[Oakhurst Area Forums]

Babies http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[Average Joe]

Originally posted by Average Joe:
Maybe the new owner will clean house and get things running smoother. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/yes.gif

[Oakhurst Area Forums]

Yeah, well... the current owner just cleaned house again. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/banned.gif

[Coldwolf]

I just looked in the mirror....I'm still here.

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by Average Joe:
Kids... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

Shoulda followed his own signature advice.

Yep, I see ya Coldwolf.

[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by Oakhurst Area Forums:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Average Joe:
Maybe the new owner will clean house and get things running smoother.

No matter how many times you clean your house, the dirt always comes back. I wish there was a way to keep the dirt out at all times, but dirt doesn't care about coming inside your house even though its not wanted and asked to leave. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

**** Matty, I told you we could hire a cleaning lady a long time ago....

[MtnEagle]

I always miss the fun...

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