Hate Crime Teacher, Coarsegold

[Anyperson]

Anyone else seen this http://www.caskinhead.com/upcoming.htm it’s going on this weekend across from Tia Ritas on 41. Shouldn’t someone do something about this? Is this the kind of “eventsâ€� we want in our neighborhood?

[Yosemite_Wolf]

bunch of lamea$$ skinheads. They make white ppl look bad... like white ppl really look good with mohawks and rings in their nares. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rofl5.gif

[Newcomer]

From the map it looks like it is down in Fresno by the childrens hospital. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[beautiful_mess38]

Didnt Tia Ritas close? I was a little confused on the flyer. Didn't actually say where and the map was vague.

[Anyperson]

The map shows their redirection location. They are meeting people there to bring them to the “secreteâ€� location. Tia Ritas did close that is just the landmark name that I used. The rally is across 41 from the old restaurant. Basically the land between the hwy and YLP along the creek.

[Kahlua Kid]

They arrested a Bobby Hubbard per the Fresno News in Coarsegold - had weapons in his home, a stage in the rear of his property built, and KKK outfits and a Unity Fest Sign.

I don't care if they want to hold a rally for their beliefs. (I don't agree with their belief, but then again I don't hold a lot of others beliefs, religion, etc.) I care that they had weapons - multiple nasty weapons. We're not talking a shot gun and a 9 mm for protection.

He said as he was being led into the police van that the rally will still go on and that 200 are expected...

Wonder where in Coarsegold his house is?

The news also reported his wife is a school teacher in Fresno. Did she know about the weapons? If so, then fine. If not... then not fair to ruin her life. They may even be separated or something - who knows, but now her job is on the line I'm sure.

[monkey]

The news said he was a convicted felon who had firearms in his posession and that is what he was arrested for.

[Kahlua Kid]

Sorry, I wasn't clear - yes, he was arrested for weapons - they had a search warrant.

But while there, found the other white supremecy items. They believe that is where the Unity Fest was supposed to take place - at his place in Coarsegold this weekend.

[oakhurstleaf]

Geez. That's scary. And 200 of his cohorts are expected to be in town for this KKk/White Supremecy event? Where are they all staying? Where is this congregation going to go now that their secret meeting spot is now publicly known?

I do care about people like this getting together for their "belief" sharing and affirming...their beliefs are based on ignorance, hatred and intolerance...and that cache of weapons speaks volumes on the kind of violence they would use to make their point.

I'm sure law enforcement is going to keep a close eye on this group. I hope they found a guest list. The local and outside members who may very well be amongst us. Ewww.

[Ironhorse]

So that's why the old leather shop is blocked off by concrete barriers and tape, and a news van is parked out there?

[Yosemite_Wolf]

or so would the fest really be called "Aryan Ugly Fest"?

gee.. now we Coarsegoldians can sleep well knowing we have such upstanding citizens in our town.. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rofl5.gif

[Mysteefied]

This is so sad, and at the same time, it cracks me up. I challange any of these "Aryan/White supremists" to PROVE that they are 100% "white" haha, I don't think it can be done.

Just my 2 cents

[Kim]

Whatever. As long as they bump uglies all in one place at one time. At least the rest of us know where to stay away from.

[Goddesschyyld]

Is it me? Or are these people complete and total idiots? The white supremicists are meeting at 'Tia Ritas' and the festival is called a 'Unity' fest????

Per dictionary.com - Unity: The state or quality of being in accord; harmony.

[Michelle]

I saw the Noon news yesterday and they said not only the firearms were in his home but they found homemade bombs in his home and a plan to have a burning cross... That makes me sick.... I don't care what people say but that is NOT a religionor anything else.. they are people who hate and do harm on other people.. I remember my grandfather telling me about coming out of his house and my mother and finding a big old cross burning... makes my heart sad.. my mother told me that it was scary.....

so I do hope the put a stop to this gathering.....

[oakhurstleaf]

I agree with you Michelle. There's something very sad and scary about a group of people who idolize Adolf Hitler and proudly display the Nazi Swastika. It's no laughing matter...no humor in it at all. I find it appalling and disgusting. If you go to the website that "anyperson" posted and follow other links...you'll learn a little more about these people. And from some of what I read...I'm sickened. Yes, this "Unity Fest" was a planned "family" event with food and music. A place where they would surely feel the harmony of being with their kind.

This whole thing makes me feel very ill at ease. I noticed there's nothing in the news about it today...on-line or newsprint. I'm sure there's an on-going investigation and a lot is under wraps.

[beautiful_mess38]

If they plan on burning a cross they will be arrested for sure. I'm glad the police are on this and I hope this whole thing gets cancelled.

[Ironhorse]

Madera County authorities arrest organizer of racist rally
The Associated Press

(Updated Saturday, May 27, 2006, 10:35 AM)

COARSEGOLD, Calif. (AP) - Madera County authorities have arrested a man they say planned a two-day white supremacist rally.

Bobby Dean Hubbard, 46, was arrested Friday on suspicion of violating conditions of probation after deputies found guns at his home, said Madera County sheriff's Lt. Darin McMechan.

They also found evidence that Hubbard was planning a weekend rally and rock concert at his 5-acre property in Coarsegold. No permit has been issued for the event, and deputies will be on hand to take action if county ordinances are violated, McMechan said.

Hubbard was on felony probation for terrorist threats and spousal abuse.
Officers seized an SKS assault rifle, a shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle, along with ammunition, said Michael Haroldsen, a special agent with the state Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement. Officers also found gunpowder and other materials that could be used to build homemade explosives, he said.

Haroldsen said officers also found evidence of "Aryan Unity Fest '06," which was promoted on the Web site of a group calling itself "California Skinheads." It was billed as a "family event" that would be "open to all racial activists."

In addition to a stage erected in Hubbard's backyard, officers also found articles showing Ku Klux Klan affiliations, KKK clothing and photographs of burning crosses, he said.

Evidence also indicated the group was planning to burn crosses during the event, and a Nazi flag was found in a window of the Hubbard family home, Haroldsen said.

A sheriff's official said deputies would monitor the event but had no plans to stop it unless it became unruly.

Hubbard was booked into Madera County Jail, where he was held without bail.

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[Social Expressions]

I asked the news - which was parked up on 415 by the school because they said it was the only place they could get a signal to transfer their data/broadcast - where his house was... just wanted to know...

They advised me the house across the street from Tia Ritas. South of Lucky Lane on 41, not the mobile across from the Casino, but just south of there.

[monkey]

It really sickens me that this type of ignorance is still around, legal and accepted. This is a group promoting HATERED of someone because of their race and should be unacceptable and illegal. Why is something not accepted/legal in the workplace yet it is elsewhere? I understand free speech, etc, but in cases like this, I feel it is b.s. I hope the cops give them hell and make them feel as uncomfortable and unwelcome as possible.
My rant is not over, but I will shut up now.

[Michelle]

Oh my husband and I had to head for YLP Hillside store because you can get into oakhurst without sitting in traffic for a hour, so we headed to YLP as we pass we see the gathering at the house and they blocked off the parking lot at the Leather store(old tia ritas) as we come back there is a news people and one sheriff sitting across the street. then when we go to turn on 417 we see at the gas station 7-8 sheriffs car all around.. that is good that they are out and aware of there gathering at the house.
Some people told us they have a right to get together and talk about what they believe in.. I thought to myself oh yeah it is okay to get together and talk about who and where we are going to burn a cross in front of someones house and talk about what they are going to do with the HOMEMADE PIPEBOMBS. And talk about how much hate there is between each other.. yeah it is okay.. So as i feel and told my husband everyone has there right to believe in what they want and think it is okay for all this but they didn't go thru what I did in school and being sent to the back of the room and told only little black kids sit back there and read books. and my grandfather tell me how many crosses were burned in his front yard.
But all we can do is let the Sheriffs keep it controlled and they hopefully keep the peace knowing they are being watched....

just makes me mad people like that are still around....

[Kim]

I really am ashamed of these people myself, and I hate the way they make other ethnicities look at us. Especially downtown here at work...man, everytime you think the sewer can't get deeper someone proves you wrong. In this day and age, you'd think that we wouldn't have patients saying to "keep that n--- away from me" or refusing blood transfusions because "everyone knows that **** donate blood and they all have AIDS". But I've actually heard those 2 statements within the past 8 months.
That being said, I still believe these guys have the right to peacefully gather and be as hateful as they are, as long as they keep it in a confined space and don't do anything illegal. (Obviously this bonehead couldn't do that or he would be at his own party right now instead of reading about it behind bars.) Why do I believe this? Because I subscribe to the "slippery slope" theory. Once we start saying that people can't gather and say what they want to say, that rule can apply to anyone. There's so much potential of abuse in restricting the right to gather. Perhaps someday someone may decide that dancing to "Wild Thing" is overly sexual and therefore we deviants shouldn't be allowed to do so. So let them have their hate; absolutely the law should be out there making sure they don't burn anything; heck, if I was a cop I'd be playing Nat King Cole and Marvin Gaye over a loudspeaker right outside. I just plan to stay away, be a counterbalance to these idiots, and let them self-destruct as they eventually will.

[Sandman]

Sometimes a person will read a topic on this web site and email Oakhurst Online with a complaint. This topic has inspired many of these emails.

I just want to remind viewers that Oakhurst Online provides this web site, but the opinions and views are that of the author.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

thats sad Sandman.. cos you didnt invite the idiots to the forums. And Im sick and tired of being referred to as a racist white person.. just cos im white. If you heard the spanish coming out of mine and Kim's mouths at work.. you would realise that we arent prejudiced... we try to communicate with ALL patients.. i just havent mastered Hmong dialect yet.

[Kahlua Kid]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sandman:
Sometimes a person will read a topic on this web site and email Oakhurst Online with a complaint. This topic has inspired many of these emails.{/QUOTE]

I see everyone pretty much towing the line here -no one arguiing or aiming anything at each other.

We all have a right to our opinions.

I'm with you Kim - the freedom of speech is why I didn't care if they hold a rally. We all have the right to that. I don't want it taken away from me - as you said, once you start determining not ok for A, or for B, then its also not allowed for C, D, E,....

I don't agree with racism - And with how international this world has become, its surprising that racism can still exist so strongly in today's world.

If we really track our ancestries, we'd most likely find were mixed ancestry.

I personally love other cultures and learning about others language, customs, dress, food, etc. If we were all the same, this world would be extremely boring!

[Kim]

I'm with you Sandman....my opinions are my own and Sandman is nice enough to let me vent on his site....(I'd put a disclaimer on my rant but for some reason I can't edit it.

Found the edit button-I guess it wasn't bright and shiny enough. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif

[beautiful_mess38]

You know what I'm thinking about right now....After this so called "rally" is over everyone is going to know where this idiot lives. Then he has it on a 3 day weekend. So, lets see what happens to this house after the rally while he's in jail.

What a dumb idea to hold a racist rally at your home when you live on a busy hwy.

Bullets might be flying. I think I will be taking 415 to 41 to get to town for awhile.

What do you guys think is going to happen?

[SheilaMae]

The thought occurs to me - another mystery could be solved while this fella's in custody perhaps. Remember the 'bomb' on the side of the road last summer that had 41 shut down for hours (I couldn't get through to get to my house so hung out at Messy's til the road was again open)? That location was not so very far from this guys property - could it be they have THAT culprit in custody now and don't know it???
Just surmising...

[Sandman]

Coarsegold just made Bay Area news with this. I just watched it here in Oakland. Sad that this is the kind of exposure our small area was getting. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif

[Kim]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
You know what I'm thinking about right now....After this so called "rally" is over everyone is going to know where this idiot lives. Then he has it on a 3 day weekend. So, lets see what happens to this house after the rally while he's in jail.

What a dumb idea to hold a racist rally at your home when you live on a busy hwy.

Bullets might be flying. I think I will be taking 415 to 41 to get to town for awhile.

What do you guys think is going to happen?
In Walgreen's world, everyone would just be responsible and leave his poor wife alone on her property. I hope like hell that folks around here can all not sink to his level, but my reality switch tells me no.

[monkey]

While I don't agree with the "family" gathering, I certainly don't want anything violent happening to him, his family or his property.

[oakhurstleaf]

Skinhead party off to slow start
Arrest of an event organizer may have discouraged some from attending Coarsegold rally.
By Louis Galvan / The Fresno Bee

(Updated Sunday, May 28, 2006, 8:02 AM)

COARSEGOLD — A rally sponsored by a white supremacist group that was expected to draw a large crowd this weekend appeared to get off to a slow start Saturday but still was causing concern for law enforcement officials and some local residents.

Madera County Sheriff John Anderson, who assigned a team of deputies to monitor the two-day event at a Highway 41 residence, said only about two dozen people had arrived by early Saturday afternoon. By 10 p.m. Saturday, the crowd had grown to nearly 70. The event is scheduled to end today.

Lt. Darin McMechan said about four or five people gathered in front of the residence to protest the rally but left after a few minutes without incident.

A Bee reporter attempted to interview rally organizers but was ordered off the property.

Anderson said word of Friday's arrest of one of the organizers, Bobby Dean Hubbard, for violating felony probation conditions might have caused people planning to attend the event to change their minds.

Hubbard, 46, was taken into custody at his residence on Highway 41, where the two-day event, dubbed "Aryan Unity Fest '06," was scheduled to take place. The event was advertised on the Web site of a group calling itself "California Skinheads."

Organizers listed music by bands with such names as WhiteLaw, Max Resist, Extreme Hatred, White Knuckle Driver and StormTroop 16 and anticipated a crowd of about 200 people from all over the United States and England.

Anderson, however, said that by promoting the event on the Web, his office believes organizers were actually expecting to draw a crowd of 1,000 or more to Hubbard's 5-acre mountain home surrounded by oak trees and a small stream running nearby.

The county requires permits for special outdoor events when 1,000 or more people are expected.

Organizers did not request a permit to sponsor the event, Anderson said.

But as of Saturday afternoon, he said his department had no plans to close down the rally.

"Right now, we just have a small party in there, and there is no law against that," he said.

His deputies, however, have been instructed to watch out for any disturbances or threat to public safety.

Anderson, who has lived in the area for more than 20 years, said that to his knowledge this was the first event in Madera County sponsored by the California Skinheads group.

Hubbard was arrested early Friday after members of the Madera County Gang Task force, armed with a search warrant, raided his residence.

Michael Haroldsen, a special agent with the state Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement and commander of the task force, said Hubbard was on felony probation for terrorist threats and spousal abuse. The raid was organized after investigators received information that he was in possession of firearms — a violation of his terms of probation.

Haroldsen said the search yielded an SKS assault rifle, a shotgun and a .22-caliber rifle. Officers also found black gunpowder and other materials that could be used to build homemade explosives, he said.

Officers also found evidence about the plans for this weekend's rally at the home, Haroldsen said.

In addition to a stage erected in Hubbard's backyard, officers also found articles showing Ku Klux Klan affiliations, KKK clothing and photographs of burning crosses, he said.

Evidence also indicated the group was planning to burn crosses during the event, and a Nazi flag was found in a window of Hubbard's home, Haroldsen said.

Greg Price, 31, who is black and lives in Coarsegold, said he couldn't help but wonder whether this weekend's rally is connected with an apparent racially motivated attack on his car Thursday.

Price said his car was parked outside a business in Oakhurst when someone scratched the letters KKK and a racial slur on the vehicle's side.

He said that Thursday was the first time he had experienced a racially motivated incident since moving to Coarsegold 13 years ago.

Price said the incident has left him shaken and scared, not only for himself and his family but also for other people of color who have moved into the area.

Price said a sheriff's deputy he met outside a store Saturday advised him to watch out for his safety.

He said he had a long talk with his family and they decided "to stay indoors."

Jasmine Quinn, 17, of Coarsegold, whose mother is white and whose father is black, said she was not surprised to learn about the rally.

"There are a lot of racist people around here," said Jasmine, a student at Yosemite High School. "They are young and old, with the young ones learning from the older ones, usually their parents.

"This is a small town," said Jasmine, "but there are more of them [white people] than us."

The reporter can be reached at lgalvan@fresnobee.com or (559) 441-6139.

[charlotte]

I was wondering what the news crews were for. It makes me sad that this is happening in our community.

[Kim]

"There are a lot of racist people around here," said Jasmine, a student at Yosemite High School. "They are young and old, with the young ones learning from the older ones, usually their parents.

"This is a small town," said Jasmine, "but there are more of them [white people] than us."[/quote]

Now this is just sad. I sure hope this comment reflects her age more than her experiences.

[SheilaMae]

It is sad, Kim...truly. And I hope there will be an increased level of awareness amongst staff @ the high school when classes resume Tuesday. I've been hearring there's a huge amount of resentment brewing amongst the YHS population over the news of the weekend and the arrested party has two children who are students at YHS who aren't in a holding cell protected from public harrassment. Hope it doesn't escalate to that, but fear it may amongst teens. Would love to be wrong...

[Kim]

Would love for you to be wrong too. And am extremely grateful that I don't have to worry about your teen, or mine, or Dodge's making you right.

[MtnEagle]

I've always liked this line from the movie "American President":

"Everybody knows being American isn't easy. America is advanced citizenship.
You gotta want it bad, 'cause it's gonna put up a fight. It's gonna say,
"You want free speech? Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make
your blood boil, who's standing center stage and advocating, at the top
of his lungs, that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top
of yours."

Can't agree with their beliefs either, but they have to have the same access that we all have to the public.

[beautiful_mess38]

After driving by there a few times, doesnt seem like alot of "them" showed up. I guess after hearing of his arrest they decided not to come.
Being that house is right on the hwy in visable view I hope nothing turns violent after they leave. I will still take 415 to 41 for awhile though.

[father guido]

So where, exactly, does this fella live on Hwy 41? Keep in mind I live in Ohio and moved from my home on Hwy 41 in 1987...details would help.

[Dodgergirl]

Looks like the festival went on as planned, even with all of the disruptions from local media & police. I'm told there was music, burnings, etc.
Interesting. The message got spread with lots of free media attention. And yes, there are more members of the AB up here in the mountains than most would realize.

[wwireless]

This is my first visit to the board and my first post here. I've traveled through Oakhurst many times on my way to Yosemite and I've dropped some coins into the coffers of business's in the community. I've had thoughts of possibly relocating to your idylic (sp?) mountain community for my retirement. While I don't agree with any kind of racism I'm even more disgusted with the thought of people using the tactics which the AB appears to embrace. I'd like to believe that good wins over evil and the only Oakhurst people I've talked to seem to be very nice folks. I'm still very interested in the Oakhurst community.

[oakhurstleaf]

No place is perfect...As a recent transplant myself from southern CA, I'd say the good outweighs the bad here in Oakhurst. There was a lot more things I didn't like about southern CA. The grass is far greener on this side. Just my opinion.

It bothers and disgusts me to know there are Aryan Brotherhood people up here...but they're everywhere. Even in southern CA.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by wwireless:
This is my first visit to the board and my first post here. I've traveled through Oakhurst many times on my way to Yosemite and I've dropped some coins into the coffers of business's in the community. I've had thoughts of possibly relocating to your idylic (sp?) mountain community for my retirement. While I don't agree with any kind of racism I'm even more disgusted with the thought of people using the tactics which the AB appears to embrace. I'd like to believe that good wins over evil and the only Oakhurst people I've talked to seem to be very nice folks. I'm still very interested in the Oakhurst community.

In spite of the dire warnings and predictions of one or two on this site, don't give up on Oakhurst. It's a good place to live, with a lot of good people. A lot of transplants from other parts of the state looking for a better, safer community to live in. Don't make a judgement on the whole town based on incidents like this. And remember, a lot of the attendees of this "Fest" were from OUT of town. Oakhurstleaf is right, these people are everywhere. I prefer to have them in the open, where I can keep an eye on them, than skulking around in this hills, up to lord knows what nastiness and hatreds. As long as they're not shooting or blowing things up, just verbalizing their small-mindedness, I can make a choice to just ignore them. If they start breaking laws, like the "host" did, then I expect the local cops to bust em! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Yosemite Joy]

I don't have any thing to say about the "unity fest" but I would like to point out that there is graffiti all over Oakhurst Park (signs etc) stating "white power" and the lightining bolts (excuse me for being ignorant on the correct term for Nazi symbols).

Pretty pathetic. Freedom of speech is taken literal in this country though, and can not be denied.

[beautiful_mess38]

Your kidding YJ, http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shocked.gifmg: Thats awful.
I hope they clean it up soon.

[Ironhorse]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/sad3.gif That's a shame. And probably done under cover of dark, or else by local kids that don't even understand what it really means, just thinking they're really cool and stuff.

[beautiful_mess38]

May 31, 2006 - A Valley teacher could be facing criminal charges. Authorities say her husband was planning a racist rally in the Madera County foothills.

Bobby Hubbard was arrested last week for a probation violation. Inside the home, officers say they found Ku Klux Klan robes and evidence Hubbard had been organizing a hate rally.
There seemed to be some confusion in the courtroom during Bobby Hubbard's arraignment on Wednesday. The judge to Hubbard that his wife Donna is a co-defendant in the case.

But Donna, who is a Fresno school teacher, has never been arrested.

"Why would she be a co-defendant, sir? I don't understand," replied Bobby Hubbard to the judge.

The judge responded, "That is my question exactly for the prosecutor."

Bobby Hubbard was arrested last Friday. Police say Hubbard, a suspected white supremacist, was the host of a hate rally.

A small gathering did take place at Hubbard's Coarsegold home over the weekend without incident.


It is unknown what charges Donna Hubbard will face. The judge says if she does not appear in court next week, she will be arrested.
Bobby Hubbard faces charges of being affiliated with a criminal street gang and being an ex-felon in possession of firearms.

Bobby and Donna Hubbard are expected in a Madera County court next week.

[oakhurstleaf]

It is unknown what charges Donna Hubbard will face. The judge says if she does not appear in court next week, she will be arrested.
Bobby Hubbard faces charges of being affiliated with a criminal street gang and being an ex-felon in possession of firearms.

Hmm. Could it be that she's being charged with co-conspirator to felony possession of firearms? Hmmm. Could it be also that she's affiliated with a criminal street gang like her husband? Maybe. Birds of a feather flock together.

[SheilaMae]

On a somewhat lighter note: I hear a rather weighty assignment was given at the YHS, due Tuesday and it was clearly stated way ahead of time that NO, absolutely NO excuses of any kind would be accepted for lateness. Not even, as it turns out - the computer (on which the assignment was drafted/written) was confiscated by a SWAT team late last week.

Awwwwww, c'mon - give the kid a break...

[mcdavictim]

Been here a long, long time. Have heard rumors of the KKK and the meetings all over the Mt. area for 35 years, so this news is nothin new to me.
Good White folks, if you want to know about racism and prejudice, just ask a person of color how it is to live in this area. You are not affected by it, so it is easier to be an ostrich and hide your heads in the sand.

"If you are not a part of the solution, you are part of the problem"

[beautiful_mess38]

That is not true. I have a good friend that is of color and her daughter is one of my daughters best friends.


All of my friends are not white. I hear and sympothize with thier stories.

I've been coming here all my life, but I was raised in So. Cal.

It makes me very angry that people are so ignorant.

God made people of many colors.

Don't ever tell me my head is in the sand again.

[Yosemite Joy]

So on the news tonight they said that this woman, Donna, was arrested last year for beating up a Jewish woman in Oakhurst. According to the news she kicked the woman and screamed that she (the woman) "should of been thrown in the ovens like the other dirty Jews".. so lovely!

[beautiful_mess38]

well I guess she should get packed so she can go into the oven made of bars.
And to think she's a teacher makes me sick.

[Patagoniamaniac]

My Son Said Mr sconce was there checking things out. I guess he's a temp Cop?...he said he saw people there he never would thought be racist participating..you just never know...

[Harmony]

It is sad that this kind of stuff give our nice town a bad name. I work in Fresno and had a couple of people at work give me a hard time about living in the "sticks" with the rasists. They were just kidding with me, but some people might really think that and group all of us "mountain folk" with these type of people.

[motherof4]

I have to put my 2 cents in here sry. The KKK have a large clan up there in the mountains. They have a headquarters up in the mountains between Oakhurst and Mariposa. When my husband was working up there they trade to recruite him. He told them it was not his kind of thing. They all seem like nice people we talk to but was real shocked when we found out who they where. Needles to say they did not want to be friends with us any more. Sry to give you the bad news on the mountains.

[beautiful_mess38]

They went to the highschool where the "wife" works on arrested her today.

[oakhurstleaf]

Here's the story...

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=4228738

Wife of Hate Rally Organizer ArrestedJune 1, 2006 - A local teacher has been arrested and is now in jail, along with her husband who authorities say planned a racist rally in our local foothills.

Bobby and Donna Hubbard are both in custody. Donna Hubbard is a teacher at Duncan Polytechnical High School.
Donna was taken into custody on Thursday, less than a week after her husband was arrested.

She kept her head down and did not respond to questions from reporters as she was escorted by members of Madera County's Gang Task Force out of Fresno's Duncan Polytechnical High School and into the back of a police car.

Hubbard is being charged with possessing illegal weapons. She was at her family's Coarsegold home, where the weapons were found last Friday when her husband, Bobby Hubbard, was taken away by authorities.

"She had access to all the weapons we found in the house," explained Mike Haroldsen, from the gang task force.

Police say both Donna and her husband are affiliated with the Klu Klux Klan and other hate groups, and were the organizers of a hate rally last weekend on their property in Coarsegold.

They say she will face additional charges for her alleged involvement in an altercation in Oakhurst last year.

Police say their investigation is not over and there are more arrests to come, possibly relatives of Donna and Bobby Hubbard.

Bobby Hubbard's arraignment had to be postponed Wednesday because the judge wanted Donna to appear as well. Now that's she has been arrested, both will be in court next week for an arraignment. (end of story)

Police say their investigation is not over and there are more arrests to come, possibly relatives of Donna and Bobby Hubbard. This is gettin' good.

[Dodgergirl]

People who go to these things 'just to check things out' are just being nosy & wanting to have something to gossip about. There are a lot of stories stemming from this sort of behavior that are flat out lies.

Since I've been up here we've encountered a few opportunities to attend these rallies, meetings, etc., mostly offered to my husband, he just politely declines the invite.

When I first came up here I was told to "keep your daughter outta Mariposa". Those who know me understand I challenge whatever & whenever I can... A personality flaw, I guess.

As for the wife being a teacher, I have mixed opinions, and I'll probably get slammed on this, but think about it...

We don't freak out if a Christian, a Jew or something else teaches our children. We don't freak out if a Gay/Lesbian teaches our children. We don't freak out if an ex addict or criminal turns their life around and teaches our children.

Or Do We?

But we get terribly upset if a member of the AB teaches our children?
Or Do We?

I do not believe ours heads are in the sand. In fact, I think the people on these forums have more diversity and knowledge than most would give us credit for...

JMHO

[Ironhorse]

I understand what you're saying DG, and you're right. IMO as long as the person like Hubbard doesn't preach her beliefs to students, so what? If information is given to students in the context of "these groups exist, this is what they do", so what? If the teacher was trying to recruit students, that would be another matter. I want my grandkids to know people like the Hubbards exist. What is it about "forewarned is fore-armed" or something like that. I teach them that racism is NOT good, that under the color of their skin people still have the same colored blood and muscle, etc., that no race has the right to wipe out, or try to wipe out another race, and that just because of the color of someone's skin doesn't mean they are less important/smart/worth less than you are. I also tell them that unfortunately, some people (from ALL races), by their actions, prejudices, stupidity, turn out looking pretty dumb and cause others to form opinions of other people of that race because of them. I walk around my grandkids school and hear kids talking Hmong, Spanish, Sikh, Lebanese, and languages from the Middle East, to their parents and to me it's cool. And they also speak English. Being bi-lingual is good, I will be teaching the g-kids Spanish this summer, and some Portuguese. But crossing burnings, beating people up because they aren't the same color as you, etc. is not cool, it's wrong. Equally, implying/insinuating that some people are racist or KKK just because you don't like them, with little or no proof, because of politics, is just a wrong. Kids need to learn a lot of people make up our world, the majority for the good, and some bad, that's the way it is. And in the same vein, what's wrong with teaching kids about the contributions gay people have made to society, like they want to do now? It's no different that teaching what people like Chavez, Martin Luther King, Malcom X, John F. Kennedy, Nelson Mandela, did for the world.

[oakhurstleaf]

Dodgergirl...tell us about the "lies" being spread and what is the real truth as you know it. I, for one, am curious.

Obviously, Donna Hubbard is not being arrested for her performance as a high school teacher, but her activities in her personal life. I find it curious that a KKK member would even pursue a job in public education where every child of every race, creed, and color is promised an equal education...where racism and intolerance is unaccepted and certainly not condusive to a harmonious educational environment. Perhaps, Donna Hubbard saved her hard-core beliefs for when she was off the clock...and rightfully so. But being naughty at home and good at school... just means you're a good actor.

[oakhurstleaf]

Hikinwhistler, I salute you. That was PERFECTLY said. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[Yosemite Joy]

Well the school that D Hubbard work[ed]s at is made up of mostly latino, black, other minorities. The students had nothing but good things to say about her, and I am sure that ABC 30 tried their damnest to find someone to slander her. Wasn't her husband on probation/parole whatever for beating her? It could be that this is a terrible situation that D Hubbard has found herself in, and the charges that were never found to have evidence until a couple days ago (though the kicking incident occured over a year ago) are suddenly proven and indicted?

Remember, we are getting this information from "if it bleeds it leads" type of local media.

And hikinwhister, nice post.

[Michelle]

Originally posted by hikinwhistler:
Most people are not opposed to any organization or member of an organization who teaches our children or lives in our community who is contributing in POSITIVE ways. Most religious members come from a belief of LOVE - however liberal or conservative their doctrine, most Gay/Lesbians know more than any one the painful challenges and discrimination they face every day in society- they are hyper aware and compassionate people in society because of what they live, if an addict truly recovers and conquers their disease they come from self awareness, self responsibility and compassion as well, some criminals can rehabilitate but not all. All live and teach from a fundamental belief of loving acceptance, tolerance of faults and responsible self awareness.

NOt this organizaiton. This organziation and it members are destructive to society and our American heritage, true intentions of the American constitution and rich cultures. They teach HATE,INTOLERANCE, CONTROL, MANIPULATION, LEADERSHIP BY FEAR, RETAILIATION FOR OPPOSITION AND MOST OF ALL THEY TEACH IGNORANCE. They want us to believe Hilter was a hero, that the atrocities did not occur & that there is only one race.

It seems people have short memories. And people are forgetting the blessing of being born in America as well as current events in our world today.

1) Most of our WWII veterans are passing and America along with the entire European, South Pacific and global regions gathered to fight againsit Hilter and his beliefs because it was destructive to our world. Many of those veterans will witness again and again the atrocities they witnessed with the many countries of suffering men, women and children as well as finding those who lost their lives because of one out of control, sick fanatic.

Read your history, talk to the few that are left, talk to the generations of immingrants who live in Europe and America and remember being labeled as inferior, pushed out their homes, their lives, splitting their families as they were herded out of countries, jobs, homes, etc., imprisoned. Ask them about the bodies they found, the camps they liberated, the survival stories of those hiding. Ask them about their interactions with the German infantry who were young men fighting because they were unfortuante enough to be born on the side of the war that started the conflict. Talk to the German officers who not all but some have regrets with the leadership they promoted under the misinfomration of the regime that was passed down to them.

Look and listen to the generations of survivors now and how they have succeeded in life against such horrific odds and tell me they don't contribute positively.

IF anyone should be full of hate and screaming opposition to the very existance of a hint of any repetition of history it should be them but they survived and live productively.

I would like to see one AB member experience the emotional, mental anguish or physical torture many of these people and their families experienced and come out of it with an ability to overcome such horror to live a positive and productive life.

AB's can not because they are filled with the faith of hate when others faith based on love kept them believing the horror would end, the violators would be brought to justice and only evil would commit this war. That good will always overcome evil.


2)I think the AB members should move to countries where there is no tolerance and see what they think. Being born, especially for women, in America is the best thing in the world. We have more freedom, opportunity and ability to nurture positive contributions than anywhere in the world.

To use those opportunities to promote hate disgusts me.

3) Go to the Internet and look up http://www.savedarfur.org/home. If you read the history and current status of this conflict and see the consequences you will understand this is TODAY's 21 century horror that many of us are fighting against.

Fighting against because we have learned this lessson and will stop it!

It is being compared to the WWII battle against anniliation of a race and horrors. And again it is caused by fanatics who want power.It is empowered by people turning a blind eye, tolerating a country's conflict and defining it as their business, ignorance, manipulation of the circumstances of poverty and people who are vulnerable.

Imagine your children being moved out their homes, their safe beds of Oakhurst and walking 2 hours EVERY morning and EVERY night month after month with no end in sight to safe fenced areas just to survive. This is an example of sick leaders who raid communities to take children to fight in their rebel armies, rape women and kill men every night all in the name of anniliating a race. These occurences are real and developed because until recently countries turned a blind eye to the situation.

I find it incredibly offensive to hear any acceptance or symptathy for these groups and will never tolerate a group that supports hate, anniliation of races, displays the arrogance and blind following and ignorance to ignore the atrocities that Hilter and current leaders commit and who perpetuate distorted and sick beliefs that destroy humanity and our world cultures.

I challenge every single member to say their nationality is the purest.

I oppose any action that empowers them.

They are sick people manipulated by sick beliefs and circumstances.Unwilling to educate themselves fully. More willing to live with beliefs of control, weapony etc.

They are cowards.



WOW...........I thank you for taking the time and posting what you posted... you words are great... you thoughts I so believe in... I wish I could write like you did.... thank thank you... i so agree with you...
the only thing I can say is this.. I KNOW HOW it feels to be treated in the school system when a Teacher thinks I repeat THINKS I was a black child... I was told and sent to the back of the room to read a book and was never to raise my hand ask for anything... I could not even be apart of the circle group or read with other children... I couln't go and play with the other school mate until there recess was over...that is wrong...
but I do hope there is more people out in this world of people like you hikinwhistler.......
thank you again for your thoughts and expressing them here..... http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by oakhurstleaf:
Dodgergirl...tell us about the "lies" being spread and what is the real truth as you know it. I, for one, am curious.

Obviously, Donna Hubbard is not being arrested for her performance as a high school teacher, but her activities in her personal life. I find it curious that a KKK member would even pursue a job in public education where every child of every race, creed, and color is promised an equal education...where racism and intolerance is unaccepted and certainly not condusive to a harmonious educational environment. Perhaps, Donna Hubbard saved her hard-core beliefs for when she was off the clock...and rightfully so. But being naughty at home and good at school... just means you're a good actor.

I have to disagree with that one. I teach, but I party like a maniac when I can. Just not at the same time. And if I see one of my kids while I'm partying, I will put away whatever I'm doing. I don't want to be a bad influence on them. I'm not acting, but there is a time & a place for everything. The only thing I will not compromise or try to avoid doing around particular people is the fact that I am a Christian. That's an always/forever thing.

"People who go to these things 'just to check things out' are just being nosy & wanting to have something to gossip about. There are a lot of stories stemming from this sort of behavior that are flat out lies." Was my opinion that behaviors like this cause trauma & spread gossip, not a fact that anyone was lying.

[beautiful_mess38]

Yea but Dodge, partying and belonging to a hate group are two different things.
This woman hates people of different color. But yet she's teaching them. Makes me wonder.

[Dodgergirl]

But being naughty at home and good at school... just means you're a good actor


This quote is what I was referring to. Maybe we need to set some parameters here.
And, yes, I understand the difference between hate groups & partying. I deal with racism everyday. People who don't know my background say the stupidest things around me.

[oakhurstleaf]

That quote, my quote, was referring to Donna Hubbard's "naughtiness" so to speak...

I wasn't going out of the parameters of this specific topic....I wouldn't compare someone letting their hair down, enjoying a cocktail while they rock out to some music blasting as someone who gets off work and engages, participates, and conspires with criminal activity and activists.

A much more extreme of naughty and nice, and being a good actor...would be a pedophile who stalks children on the weekends, but all his neighbors and family know him as a very responsible, respectful, church-going, community-oriented man who never treated their children in any wrongful manner whatsoever.

My meaning of "naughty" was more in line with a "dark side". Not a harmless wild side.

[oakhurstleaf]

The latest on her arrest, as per local TV news...

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=4232135

Details on Evidence for Teacher's ArrestJune 2, 2006 - We're learning more about the evidence against Donna Hubbard and her husband, Bobby Hubbard, and their association with hate groups.

Several pieces of unusual evidence were found inside a Fresno teacher's home before she was arrested on her high school campus.
She was taken into custody by heavily armed gang task force agents at a Central Fresno high school.

Donna Hubbard has bailed out of jail and is now back at her home in Coarsegold, the location of a planned white supremacist rally last weekend.

Just before 2:00pm Thursday, the seven member Madera County Gang Task Force arrived at Fresno's Duncan Polytechnical High School to arrest health teacher Donna Hubbard.

According to the Fresno Unified School District, no one at Duncan was notified before hand.

"People there didn't suspect her of any of this and believe that she, still to this day, is not involved ... we didn't want to take a chance, tipping her off and she wouldn't be at the school," said Mike Haroldsen, from the gang task force.

Donna Hubbard's husband was arrested last Friday at their Coarsegold home as a parolee in possession of numerous weapons that were found.

Police both Donna and Bobby Hubbard are affiliated with the Ku Klux Klan, having organized a hate rally on their property last weekend.

Agent Haroldsen says they also found evidence that Donna Hubbard had guns and photographs show her connection to the Klan and photos of her children making Nazi gestures.

It was the unknown whereabouts of those guns, he says, that led to the heavy show of force to arrest Donna Hubbard at the school.

Haroldsen says they didn't expect her to be armed, but they took no chances, "Our number one priority was the school, that the children were safe and that's why we took all our agents to make sure that nothing occurred ... that the arrest was effective without any incident and that everyone involved was safe, including Mrs. Hubbard."

Donna Hubbard wasn't in the Madera County jail long. She posted bail shortly before 11:00pm Thursday night.

According to jail records and police, on June 26th she will be arraigned on charges of possession of an illegal weapon and with a hate crime dating back to April of 2005.

Agent Haroldsen explained those charges were not filed back then, because there was no evidence Donna Hubbard was involved in a hate organization. (end of story)

[BGW]

Oakhurstleaf makes a good point in my journal...has anyone been by the park to see if the graffiti has been cleaned up and if not...do we need to go and take care of this ourselves?????

[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by oakhurstleaf:
That quote, my quote, was referring to Donna Hubbard's "naughtiness" so to speak...

I wasn't going out of the parameters of this specific topic....I wouldn't compare someone letting their hair down, enjoying a cocktail while they rock out to some music blasting as someone who gets off work and engages, participates, and conspires with criminal activity and activists.

A much more extreme of naughty and nice, and being a good actor...would be a pedophile who stalks children on the weekends, but all his neighbors and family know him as a very responsible, respectful, church-going, community-oriented man who never treated their children in any wrongful manner whatsoever.

My meaning of "naughty" was more in line with a "dark side". Not a harmless wild side.

Guess I read it wrong, and I understand your point completely. I just am careful not to jump on the bandwagon and convict someone without hearing the facts first. (I Am Not saying this is what you or anyone else was doing) So I guess we'll all have to see how the facts play out in this case.

[Dodgergirl]

and some of the facts...

abc30.com E-News
June 11, 2006 - The woman who says she was the target of a hate crime by a Valley teacher is speaking out for the first time.
Forty-year-old Dani Harper says she and her 17-year-old daughter have both been targets of the Hubbard family's hate. Their kids both attend Yosemite High School in Oakhurst, where, last year, Harper says her daughter was verbally attacked for wearing a Star of David necklace.

"Crystal Hubbard turned around and called my daughter a dirty Jew. My daughter was like, 'what, what's going on?' So she asked a couple of her friends and they told her Crystal, her dad is a Klan member and she is a white supremacist" said Harper.

Harper says shortly after that, she had her first ever meeting with Donna Hubbard, and it was violent, saying Hubbard chased her down in her car after a run-in at a movie store.

"Next thing you know, I hear honking and I look in my rear view mirror and say who the hell is that? And my daughter says 'those are the people that called me a dirty Jew.' And I said what the hell do they want with us?" said Harper.

Harper says she pulled over in the Bank of America parking lot.

"She got out of the car and called me a Jew c-word. That was the first thing out of that lady's mouth and said I should burn in the oven with the rest of the Jews. That's a hate crime," said Harper.

The two then went at each other. Deputies were called, and the incident was written up as a mutual fight, but now, it's one of the main charges facing Hubbard.

The case was reopened after Hubbard's husband Bobby was arrested last month, when police say he organized a white supremacist rally at their Coarsegold home.

Police say when they searched the Hubbard's home, they found the couple's wedding picture featured people in KKK robes and hoods, and there were family pictures with both the Hubbard parents and children doing the "Sieg Heil" salute made famous by Hitler.

After finding this connection between the Hubbard family and hate groups, investigators believe they now have evidence that the year-old attack on Harper was indeed a hate crime. Hubbard, whose students describe her as a beloved and caring teacher at Fresno's Duncan Polytechnical High School, now stands accused.

Hubbard has pleaded not guilty to the hate crime and being in a gang.

Deputies say she had several guns registered in her name, something that Harper says is alarming.

"These people are dangerous. Obviously if they found that many guns in their house, and that much hatred, they're dangerous," said Harper.

Harper says she ready to testify if asked.

We tried to reach Donna Hubbard's attorney to get her side of the case, but so far they have not commented.

Donna Hubbard is out on bail. Bobby Hubbard has been jailed on several probation violations, and will be arraigned the first week of July

[mcdavictim]

I was in Sacramento last week and I saw the same things on TV as was seen on channel 30 re this Hubbard thing
Oakhurst again makes national news!!!
Few White people will agree, but this is one racist towns. Again, just ask anyone of color!!!
I tried, without any success, to tell some teachers and a counselor at YHS that racism was alive and well on YHS campus. She just POOH-POOHED me. Even when I told them about the freshman winter formal, when a student of color was told, "We know what to do with N---- where I come from, we tie them to the back of a truck and drag them down the street!" I was told that they knew about the incident and they could not do anything about it. After all, this person was a guest of another student. The student of color, had no rights!!!
Remember when Oakhurst was on national news when a student came to an assembly dressed as a KKK member dragging a blackend-face white kid with a ball and chain behind him. And people continue to say Oakhurst is not racist!!!
(If not for the likes of some of the fine people of Oakhurst, one child would not be where he is now. I should have made police reports.) But then again the Jewish lady filed a report and was not taken seriously!!! Now a year later, when it is all over the media, they MAY do something (if they are forced to)

[Ironhorse]

Oakhurst is not racist. Some people who live in Oakhurst are racist, not ALL the people who live here. The people who are racist, do not make the whole town racist.

[mcdavictim]

People in this town are racist who do not even know they are racist!! When a child of color goes into a local business with a couple of white friends and the store clerks watch him and not the white children, THAT TOO,IS RACISM
The High School did not want to face the problem when they were informed.

I, too, did not think there was a real problem, I had my head in the sand. I did not take the problem seriously. Looking back I see things so much clearly

[Yosemite Joy]

So how do you know that the store cleks watch black kids and not the white ones? Do you have survellience tapes or something?

And when was the kid dressed in black face at YHS? Where is the proof of this? I have been in and out of this town for over 10 years and never heard such a thing.

[Sandman]

I was there for the kid dresed with a black face. Those students were a few years older than me... clas of '94 I think. It made CNN news. Students dressed in KKK white robes and one kid had a painted black face and a rope around his head. I know for a fact that happened. It was a YHS Halloween Party.

But I wouldn't go so far as to call the whole town racist. Just like anywhere, we have racist people.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
People in this town are racist who do not even know they are racist!! When a child of color goes into a local business with a couple of white friends and the store clerks watch him and not the white children, THAT TOO,IS RACISM
The High School did not want to face the problem when they were informed.

I, too, did not think there was a real problem, I had my head in the sand. I did not take the problem seriously. Looking back I see things so much clearly

The fact the matter is that racism exists in EVERY city in this country. That doesn't mean the whole country is racist, just as it doesn't mean this whole town is racist or that a majority of it is racist. Take you head out of the sand and recognize that fact and deal with racism in the area it exists, quit attacking a whole town. Reminds me of chicken little running around "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". And maybe, just maybe, the fact that clerks watch some people (or races) more than others is because of the way they dress and act. I watch kids (regardless of their race) more carefully who dress like little gang bangers with their pants hanging down to their ankles, etc. than I do kids that don't dress like that. Is it wrong, yep, probably is, because there are probably a bunch of kids who dress like that that aren't all bad. Is it stereo-typing? Maybe/maybe not. Our world, our media ingrains some of this crap into our minds. The absolute WORST thing I can think of is people who run around screaming "Blank" town is RACIST because this happened there. That's the kind of crap that keeps it in the news, because the media feeds off those people. Generally those ill informed, "God-fearing" people are the ones who speak on condition of anonymity, giving the media all the juicy "facts" as they "know them". (Which translates into what they don't know, they make up). I'm not saying the Hubbards aren't racist, "sounds" to me like they are, but hanging that tag on a whole town because of some people like them is WRONG! JMO

[Sandman]

I often wore all black and had funky colored hair in high school. Store clerks probably watched me to make sure I didn't steal, even though I have never stole anything in my life.

Just remember, If you don't mind putting a stereotype on someone... don't get mad when people stereotype you right back!

Stereotyping often results from, and leads to, prejudice and bigotry. Unchecked prejudice and bigotry leads to discrimination, violence, and, in extreme cases, genocide.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by Sandman:
I often wore all black and had funky colored hair in high school. Store clerks probably watched me to make sure I didn't steal, even though I have never stole anything in my life.

Just remember, If you don't mind putting a stereotype on someone... don't get mad when people stereotype you right back!

Stereotyping often results from, and leads to, prejudice and bigotry. Unchecked prejudice and bigotry leads to discrimination, violence, and, in extreme cases, genocide.

Hmm, that wouldn't bother me, LOL. It's the "gang banger look" that makes me leary. To many years working in law enforcement I guess. I know kids think it's cool, but it also gets them in trouble when they aren't gang bangers, both with true bangers, and with the authorities. Skaters, rockers, goth, etc. don't bother me, it's interesting to watch them. But the banger look.....................well, I keep an eye out, just in case the old guns come out. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif

[mcdavictim]

Well now, I got some of the good (white, most likely) folks in Oakhurst thinking. Again, unless you have lived as a person of color, Mexican, Indian, East Indian, or Black you do not know racism. I am prejudice, I am guilty of Pre judging, which is different than racism.
Again, talk, and really listen to a person of color. You may get an education.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
Well now, I got some of the good (white, most likely) folks in Oakhurst thinking. Again, unless you have lived as a person of color, Mexican, Indian, East Indian, or Black you do not know racism. I am prejudice, I am guilty of Pre judging, which is different than racism.
Again, talk, and really listen to a person of color. You may get an education.

Although I agree that the Oakhurst Area does have many racist people, I think that many of your comments pointed anger at the entire town. In fact, racism exists in every town and city. I don't think you can classify an entire town by some of the people in it.

You don't have to be a person of color to understand racism. Most people have been discriminated against at some point in their life.

I have many friends of color in the Oakhurst Area. Yes, I heard stories of racist people making remarks at them. But that does happen everywhere. It's all a matter of how you deal with it.

Also, you act like the people you are talking to on this web site are racist. That is simply not true. I know most of the people that participated in this thread and they are not racist.

It's a shame that a few bad people can make the whole town look bad. But that's your own fault if you see it that way.

[Ironhorse]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif Thank you Sandman!

[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
Well now, I got some of the good (white, most likely) folks in Oakhurst thinking. Again, unless you have lived as a person of color, Mexican, Indian, East Indian, or Black you do not know racism. I am prejudice, I am guilty of Pre judging, which is different than racism.
Again, talk, and really listen to a person of color. You may get an education.

I have not lived "as a person of color" , but have a Mexican Dad & a brown skinned daughter. I have dealt with racism. One of the Latin ladies at my school says I'm more mexican than her because of my upbringing. It always makes me laugh...
I have had a nephew killed because of racism, he was the wrong color... white. Don't give the the line you only know racism if your of color, that's a cop out & general BS.
JMHO

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Dodgergirl:
Don't give the the line you only know racism if your of color, that's a cop out & general BS.
JMHO

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[father guido]

When a child of color goes into a local business with a couple of white friends and the store clerks watch him and not the white children, THAT TOO,IS RACISM


Wrong. That is profiling. Let me give you an example:
Last week on my way to work a mini van ahead of me swerved off to the shoulder with a flat tire. I pulled in behind them (giving them a comfortable 25' cushion) and put my flashers on. I checked my mirror so I didn't get nailed stepping out and as I open my door (this goes along with my ramblins thread) I got the strongest feeling of distrust. I looked towards the back of the van and there was an old man getting the tools out, an old lady facing me with her arms crossed across her chest and a young woman, maybe 14, standing beside her. Now I am not a small man. Almost 6' with a large build...oh who am I kidding, I am fat. Anyway, I didn't even step out from behind my open door. I called to them and asked them if they needed any help. A quick "Nope. We got it." was the reply. The never took their eyes off me as I pulled back onto the road and drove away. Was that racism? No. It was profiling. Nuff said.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

thats profiling. but ya know, if Im on the side of the road with a disabled vehicle, im usually so pissed that the car busted down.. that when someone asks for help, i just growl with out looking to see their race. my growls come from bein pissed, not profiling or racism.

[Ironhorse]

I see what you're saying FG, but for me it wouldn't be what I would call profiling. For me it would be general distrust of anyone offering to help, only because our world has gotten so weird and you do have to be concerned about the people who stop and offer to "help". Of course by talking about profiling "some" people will insist that that's a racial thing. Quite an interesting read on Goddess's post. It explains a lot. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/wink3.gif

[father guido]

I felt as if I were profiled. I could easily be taken for a threat by an elderly couple and a very young woman. Was I upset? No. They have every freedom to accept or deny an offer of aid. No sweat for me, I made it to work on time...

[Kahlua Kid]

GC: Woah...

FG: Profiling? Or did they have something in that van they didn't want anyone to see???

[Kahlua Kid]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcdavictim:
Few White people will agree, but this is one racist towns. Again, just ask anyone of color!!!
QUOTE]

I've done a lot of business in Inglewood, Downey, Koreatown, etc... And yes, I am white, blonde haired, blue eyed and was raised in not to see color, but people. And I've never been racist or discriminated against anyone.

But when I walk the streets of Boyle Heights or South Central or Wilshire/Vermont or 7th/Alvarado or ... I am looked upon as different and quizzical looks. And would receive a cold reception from potential clients, until they got to know me.

In fact, one time in Bakersfield in a low-income neighborhood, I was refused service by the waitress - and everyone in that cafe gave me the coldest reception. To this day, I can only guess it was my color and dress that offended them.

Racism works both ways.

[jjcheyenne]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
People in this town are racist who do not even know they are racist!! When a child of color goes into a local business with a couple of white friends and the store clerks watch him and not the white children, THAT TOO,IS RACISM
The High School did not want to face the problem when they were informed.

I, too, did not think there was a real problem, I had my head in the sand. I did not take the problem seriously. Looking back I see things so much clearly

I can tell you I am not racist! I never judge people by the color of their skin! I am part American Indian and very proud of it! I don't care if you are white, black, brown, yellow or even purple. It is the way a person acts and presents themself that I look at. I work in security and I do not watch suspicious people only by the color of their skin. I look at the way a person acts. So please do not judge the mountian community as saying we are all racists. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/annoyed.gif

[mcdavictim]

look carefully at my post."people in this town are racist who do not even know that they are racist" Where does it say that All persons in this town are racist?

IF THE SHOE FITS-WEAR IT - IF NOT THEN DON'T

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
look carefully at my post."people in this town are racist who do not even know that they are racist" Where does it say that All persons in this town are racist?

IF THE SHOE FITS-WEAR IT - IF NOT THEN DON'T

Um, gee, maybe, just maybe it was this post that left that impression?
__________________________________
"I was in Sacramento last week and I saw the same things on TV as was seen on channel 30 re this Hubbard thing
Oakhurst again makes national news!!!
Few White people will agree, but this is one racist towns. Again, just ask anyone of color!!!
I tried, without any success, to tell some teachers and a counselor at YHS that racism was alive and well on YHS campus. She just POOH-POOHED me. Even when I told them about the freshman winter formal, when a student of color was told, "We know what to do with N---- where I come from, we tie them to the back of a truck and drag them down the street!" I was told that they knew about the incident and they could not do anything about it. After all, this person was a guest of another student. The student of color, had no rights!!!
Remember when Oakhurst was on national news when a student came to an assembly dressed as a KKK member dragging a blackend-face white kid with a ball and chain behind him. And people continue to say Oakhurst is not racist!!!
(If not for the likes of some of the fine people of Oakhurst, one child would not be where he is now. I should have made police reports.) But then again the Jewish lady filed a report and was not taken seriously!!! Now a year later, when it is all over the media, they MAY do something (if they are forced to)"
_________________________________________
Yep, maybe posts like that led to the "impression" that you were calling the whole town racist. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif

[medboysmom]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
Well now, I got some of the good (white, most likely) folks in Oakhurst thinking. Again, unless you have lived as a person of color, Mexican, Indian, East Indian, or Black you do not know racism. I am prejudice, I am guilty of Pre judging, which is different than racism.
Again, talk, and really listen to a person of color. You may get an education.

Well, isn't this a racist comment? I grew up in an area where I was the minority and I do know racism. If you are looking at a group by the color of their skin, no matter what the color may be, and judging them by that color, that is racism. I am offended. I am NOT racist! I KNOW that I am not racist. I raise my children to look at everyone as equal. If you want to help with the issues of racism, become a mentor, educate the youth in your community. But please do not come here and judge me because of the color of my skin.
I do agree that there are people here who are racist, but I do not believe that that is a reason to label every single white person in the area.

[mcdavictim]

I am white! I tried to raise a black child in this town. 20 years ago, no one could convince me that there was still racism! Expecially in this quaint little town. I had felt that any racism felt by a minority group was mostly brought on by their own chip,that they were wearing on their own shoulders! I thought that anyone who got a good education and had a good up bringing, good standards and good morals would not face a lot of problems with racism.I thought that my generation had mostly solved the problem of racism. I was very, very wrong.
Now a child is the victim of SOME of the people in this town (a local business woman and her followers.) He sets in prison while a friend of our D.A.'s son, at 20 years old, got 180 days of community service for the same crime!!! would you possible agree if you saw things from my view?

[BGW]

Is it just me or has this thread gone completely off topic? And, in it's being off topic also gotten out of hand?

This section of the forums is open to the anyone who wishes to peek in, and I for one, do not believe this is the impression I want to give any possible new friends(members).

I do believe all opinions and beliefs are worthy of being heard. Perhaps there is a better place or thread/topic heading these can fall under?

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by Anyperson:
I have to jump in here and I likely will be boo’ed because I do not sugar coat my language but here I go anyway. Mcdavictim, I for one am tired of your whining. If you are who I believe you to be, your grandson and two others raped an intoxicated 14 year old in the front seat of a pick-up. You are not a victim, he is not a victim, she is. I am sure that you have heard the saying “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.â€� That is what you should have taught him, not to cry racism when he is caught. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

/booing

[Kim]

rac·ism (rszm) KEY

NOUN:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability AND that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I agree with BGW...the thread has gotten off topic and a little bit out of hand.
The "and" in the definition is what makes all the difference. Yep. I believe that race accounts for difference in character. How could it not? Different races have different histories and aspects of those histories can make a difference in beliefs, then character. But do I believe that because I'm a stoic Finn and my friend Phyllis is a Black American woman who feels everything and expresses it, that I'm a better person? No. Do I feel that because my husband treats me with much respect now, and that some Hispanics wait until women are older to put them on a pedestal, that Epic is a better man than Ray in PACU? No. I may not appreciate the differences enough, or in some cases at all, but in no way do I feel that I am of more value at the end of the day than anyone else because of my race. "There but for the grace of God go I". We are put where we are and how we are because God makes no mistakes; who am I to say that He did something wrong? And I like to think that the people who I respect feel the same. If they don't and I hear about it, they'll hear my opinion. The outrage expressed by a lot of the folks here because of the basis of belief held by the couple in question gives me much hope. Call me an ostrich...if I hear a racist statement by people I will waste no time telling them what I think. Otherwise I will continue to see the good in the people in this town.
(climbs off soapbox yet again, wishes she had never seen the soapbox in the first place, contemplates deleting this entire post, finishes wine and goes to bed)

[Dodgergirl]

..and it's damn fine wine, isn't it? Sleep well, I know I will.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Originally posted by Kim:
rac·ism (rszm) KEY

NOUN:

The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability AND that a particular race is superior to others.
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I agree with BGW...the thread has gotten off topic and a little bit out of hand.
The "and" in the definition is what makes all the difference. Yep. I believe that race accounts for difference in character. How could it not? Different races have different histories and aspects of those histories can make a difference in beliefs, then character. But do I believe that because I'm a stoic Finn and my friend Phyllis is a Black American woman who feels everything and expresses it, that I'm a better person? No. Do I feel that because my husband treats me with much respect now, and that some Hispanics wait until women are older to put them on a pedestal, that Epic is a better man than Ray in PACU? No. I may not appreciate the differences enough, or in some cases at all, but in no way do I feel that I am of more value at the end of the day than anyone else because of my race. "There but for the grace of God go I". We are put where we are and how we are because God makes no mistakes; who am I to say that He did something wrong? And I like to think that the people who I respect feel the same. If they don't and I hear about it, they'll hear my opinion. The outrage expressed by a lot of the folks here because of the basis of belief held by the couple in question gives me much hope. Call me an ostrich...if I hear a racist statement by people I will waste no time telling them what I think. Otherwise I will continue to see the good in the people in this town.
(climbs off soapbox yet again, wishes she had never seen the soapbox in the first place, contemplates deleting this entire post, finishes wine and goes to bed)

Kim.. you and I are not racist. I have seen you and know how i relate to hispanic patients... I can hardly consider us racist when we go into see our patients and speak spanish to them. I will NEVER forget how I used to go into Jorge's room at 4 am to draw blood.. id read off his name and pt # in spanish.. he would repeat back in English. Thanks to him.. i now speak pisspoor spanish.. and he speaks great english http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif Love that patient.. and he only has a green card.. so dont be calling me or Kim racist http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Kim]

Oh, I don't hear anyone doing that, Ms. Wolfie. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cool4.gif

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Anyperson:
I have to jump in here and I likely will be boo’ed because I do not sugar coat my language but here I go anyway. Mcdavictim, I for one am tired of your whining. If you are who I believe you to be, your grandson and two others raped an intoxicated 14 year old in the front seat of a pick-up. You are not a victim, he is not a victim, she is. I am sure that you have heard the saying “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.â€� That is what you should have taught him, not to cry racism when he is caught.

Just to clairify, the girl was 15, and just as much a victim as the boys. The 14 year old little (mexican) boy went to CYA and the then 16 year old went to prison. The adults who had the party and the adults who supplied the alcohol, never were held responsible!!! There was lidicaine in the toxicology report. Lidicaine intensified the affects of the alcolol.The person who gave lidicaine to the child never found! It is a controled substance and the ambulance crew did not use it. The white boys never got charged! There was NO DNA on the 16 year old black boy. The 14 year old was observed in the act.
The only real winner in this is the lawyer, and the D.A (who was going thro the Extortion chages and trial when this was happening. made for a feather in his cap!)
As for my whinning, I will speak up for an injustice whenever I see it. I am an adult and I still have certain rights, So far I still have the right to free speech.

I am not too proud of the fact that I still live in Madera Co. and Oakhurst is not the nice little town I choose to live in 30 years ago. That too will change asap.

[medboysmom]

Mcdavictim, I do not know the story that has been mentioned here so I will not comment on it. What I would like to say is that you can not run away from your problems because they always find you no matter where you go. I have not lived here long, about 3 years, and I love it here. There is a diversity different from the racial diversity I came from. There are many different people here with many different views. If you do not like the views of some people, don't discuss that topic with those people. I make it a point to not dicuss religion or politics seriously with anyone that I consider a friend. You and I and everyone else all have something that we are passionate about. For me, I have strong opinions on many issues and I would prefer that everyone just agree because, after all, I know I am right. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif But alas, everyone has their own opinion and trying to change their opinion is just not going to happen. I am sorry for what you and your child have gone through here, but it's not just here in this county or town. Bad things happen everywhere. Injustice happens everywhere. Racism exists everywhere. You can not run from it. Try to remember what is was that you loved about this place when you first came here and see if you can find that feeling again. It's sad to start all over after 30 years. It's like starting a new relationship. Instead of starting new somewhere else, try to rediscover the love for this town that you have lived in for so long.

[BGW]

Though still in an area open to non-members, there is a thread already started on this topic. http://oakhurstforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6416031741/m/3816088603/p/1

Would it be possible to take this argument there?

[Sandman]

This topic will probably be closed in the next few days. Make your final replies and try not to be so personal... stick to the topic.

[Anyperson]

How were the boys the victims? They were the perpetrators. As far as the sentencing is concerned, deals were offered whether or not you/he took the deal was entirely your decision. It had nothing to do with his race, unless you’re claiming that is the reason he committed the crime in the first place. The fact that all of the subjects involved had been intoxicated to various levels does not mitigate the circumstance; she was underage and unable to care for her self. Shame on you for attempting to place blame on anyone but the attackers no one forced them to rape her. You and the other parent/guardians raised rapists; they were caught and punished with indifference to their race, end of story.


And yes we have gotten way off topic. I apologize for my part that, I just cannot tolerate people who refuse to take responsibility for their actions and blame everyone but himself or herself.

[Mysteefied]

http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

[Yosemite_Wolf]

if you are not proud to live here.. then Move! maybe you would like Fresno Co.... Squaw valley or watts valley. Coarsegold/Oakhurst is MUCH more universal.

if you dont like your situation.. change it dont whine about it.

[Goddesschyyld]

Okay, since the topic will be closed soon...I will comment and NOT delete it after I post it.

Mcdavictim - you fail to mention that the 16-year-old "black boy" (racist comment by the way) as you call him, is your grandson. It is odd to hear you say the girl who was BRUTALLY RAPED was a victim. It's odd to hear you say that when you have gone to THE VICTIM'S place of employment (numerous times) to harrass her calling her a sexually demeaning names.

Maybe you should talk to the deputies who responded to the call - both will tell you they have never seen a person who was so close to death as the young girl who was BRUTALLY RAPED and the case still effects both of deputies to this day. So, if you want to continue to call the boys victims..I think you need to put the story in perspective - the VICTIM'S perspective. Her life is ruined, by no choice of her own. Now the boys, see...this is where it's different....had a choice and they chose to BRUTALLY VIOLATE a girl without her consent or knowledge.

Also...blaming the parent's where the party was held. I agree, however, why was your innocent (as you call him) grandson at a party with alcohol and drugs?

Bottom line....quit putting these sexual predators in the same context with the ONLY VICTIM. It's a disgrace and it's disgusting. And blaming the DA, get over it. Either live here and like it, or get out. Quit whining - no one here wants to hear it.

[Dodgergirl]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Anyperson:
I have to jump in here and I likely will be boo’ed because I do not sugar coat my language but here I go anyway. Mcdavictim, I for one am tired of your whining. If you are who I believe you to be, your grandson and two others raped an intoxicated 14 year old in the front seat of a pick-up. You are not a victim, he is not a victim, she is. I am sure that you have heard the saying “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.â€� That is what you should have taught him, not to cry racism when he is caught.

Just to clairify, the girl was 15, and just as much a victim as the boys. The 14 year old little (mexican) boy went to CYA and the then 16 year old went to prison. The adults who had the party and the adults who supplied the alcohol, never were held responsible!!! There was lidicaine in the toxicology report. Lidicaine intensified the affects of the alcolol.The person who gave lidicaine to the child never found! It is a controled substance and the ambulance crew did not use it. The white boys never got charged! There was NO DNA on the 16 year old black boy. The 14 year old was observed in the act.
The only real winner in this is the lawyer, and the D.A (who was going thro the Extortion chages and trial when this was happening. made for a feather in his cap!)
As for my whinning, I will speak up for an injustice whenever I see it. I am an adult and I still have certain rights, So far I still have the right to free speech.

I am not too proud of the fact that I still live in Madera Co. and Oakhurst is not the nice little town I choose to live in 30 years ago. That too will change asap. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but from what I'm understanding...
If I give a party for my boys (they're 15 & 18) and provide alcohol, lidocaine (?) and drugs, or allow them to be used, and a young girl overimbibes...(willingly or not), it is then OK for my boys to Rape her because of the circumstances?

I don't understand the argument. Yes, I can see where the outcomes of trial would upset some people, but personally, I believe that has a lot to do with the quality of attorneys. Don't even go to the place where minorities cannot afford adequate representation...

When a person violates another person it is a criminal act, and most children older than 11 or 12 understand this. Children as young as 2 understand "my body" "your body" and know it is not OK to touch or be touched in 'private areas' without permission. So, did this young lady give these boys permission to violate her? No, oh, then it's Rape & it's WRONG. I understand the gang mentality and peer pressure, but this isn't stealing a candy bar, this is something that requires a lot of agression.

Yes, you have the freedom of speech, on these forums & in the world, but where you should be using this freedom is to get your grandson the therapy he needs so when he comes out he is not just another criminal ready to commit crimes again. We don't need another sex offender in our world...

The crime is done, the trial is over, now it is time to help those involved. And not keep fueling the idea of racism. That gives your grandson the idea that he is incarcerated because of his skin color, not because of his crime.

Is that how you really want him to grow up? Blaming others for his actions? Or becoming a man who can be held accountable for his actions?
The entire situation sucks for everyone involved, but the young lady will have to live with this trauma, this violation her entire life.
And she did not have a choice.
He did.

JMHO

[Ironhorse]

It has been my experience that those who scream "racism" the loudest either 1) Refuse to take responsibility for their own problems/issues/life crises, or 2) Are the ones that are racist (why else does the accusation spring so easily to their lips?) The other thing is, not only does the victim have to live with this the rest of her life, but she was victimized twice. Once by the assault and again during the trial. I have yet to have seen a rape trial where the defense doesn't do everything they can with innuendo, lies and tricks to make the victim look like a slut/***** or any other name THEY choose to call her. If the boy who went to CYA was observed in the act (as one post stated), then HOW in the H#*L can you imply he was convicted because of his RACE. Ludicrous, just ludicrous. JMO

[Mysteefied]

Very Well Said Dodge!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

<<That gives your grandson the idea that he is incarcerated because of his skin color, not because of his crime. >>

[Mysteefied]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mysteefied:
Very Well Said Dodge!! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/applause.gif

{That gives your grandson the idea that he is incarcerated because of his skin color, not because of his crime. }

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
It has been my experience that those who scream "racism" the loudest either 1) Refuse to take responsibility for their own problems/issues/life crises, or 2) Are the ones that are racist (why else does the accusation spring so easily to their lips?) The other thing is, not only does the victim have to live with this the rest of her life, but she was victimized twice. Once by the assault and again during the trial. I have yet to have seen a rape trial where the defense doesn't do everything they can with innuendo, lies and tricks to make the victim look like a slut/***** or any other name THEY choose to call her. If the boy who went to CYA was observed in the act (as one post stated), then HOW in the H#*L can you imply he was convicted because of his RACE. Ludicrous, just ludicrous. JMO

I do not know the case that you are talking about.This case was never taken to trial. The parents were advised by 3 attornies that there could not be a fair trial in Madera Co. The D.A.s office was having its own problems at this time (Remember the outcome? We as tax payers will have to pay at least $500.000 for the extortion charges that was going on at the time a "deal" was offered) Again I was told that this and others were (my words,)"feathers in the D.A.s hat! And there were 5 boys not 3 according to what the victim's friends said. The other 3 were over 18 at the time. There was unidentified DNA in the kit. No DNA of the male sent to prison.

People who dont know the real facts should keep Quiet. Opinions are like you know what, everyone has one.

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by Anyperson:
Anyone else seen this http://www.caskinhead.com/upcoming.htm it’s going on this weekend across from Tia Ritas on 41. Shouldn’t someone do something about this? Is this the kind of “eventsâ€� we want in our neighborhood?

It seemed to me when I first saw this post, that this was like an advertisement for the event. I certainly did not know about the happening until after the arrest was on TV. It was after the fact that I saw this post.

I did not believe what I saw in about 1987 in front of the Midway Market along the way to rd 426. I saw the hooded clan members comming up to each car and handing out their racist garbage. Their right to free speech was gtd. (For all the newcomers, Midway Market was in the vacant lot on hwy abt across from jamba juice.) The Clan has been active here and all over Madera and Mariposa a long, long time. So why advertise it?

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by mcdavictim:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ironhorse:
It has been my experience that those who scream "racism" the loudest either 1) Refuse to take responsibility for their own problems/issues/life crises, or 2) Are the ones that are racist (why else does the accusation spring so easily to their lips?) The other thing is, not only does the victim have to live with this the rest of her life, but she was victimized twice. Once by the assault and again during the trial. I have yet to have seen a rape trial where the defense doesn't do everything they can with innuendo, lies and tricks to make the victim look like a slut/***** or any other name THEY choose to call her. If the boy who went to CYA was observed in the act (as one post stated), then HOW in the H#*L can you imply he was convicted because of his RACE. Ludicrous, just ludicrous. JMO

I do not know the case that you are talking about.This case was never taken to trial. The parents were advised by 3 attornies that there could not be a fair trial in Madera Co. The D.A.s office was having its own problems at this time (Remember the outcome? We as tax payers will have to pay at least $500.000 for the extortion charges that was going on at the time a "deal" was offered) Again I was told that this and others were (my words,)"feathers in the D.A.s hat! And there were 5 boys not 3 according to what the victim's friends said. The other 3 were over 18 at the time. There was unidentified DNA in the kit. No DNA of the male sent to prison.

People who dont know the real facts should keep Quiet. Opinions are like you know what, everyone has one. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Okay, so she didn't go through a trial. She is still the victim, NOT your grandson. And I guess you would be the expert on opinions as you have quite a few. Get over it, get a life, move if you want, but quit labeling other people with your small mind. Your bitterness is eating you alive and your "victim" relative has only himself to blame for what he did. It's called Tough Love, quit coddling him and accept he screwed up. If anyone is to blame, he is. The people of the Mountain communities didn't do this to him, neither did the DA (and when are you going to give that a rest, the fricking election is over!), your relative did it to himself. How many times do you have to be told that by people on this board. Please take your whining elsewhere.

[monkey]

Can we please close this thread? It's getting very repeatitive and no one is going to change anyone else's mind. I think we all agree, it's an awful thing that happened.

[Michelle]

Okay I am going to highly request this thread to be closed...

it is getting off the topic and I personally am tired of it..


thank you

[tocools]

Originally posted by *Michelle*:
Okay I am going to highly request this thread to be closed...

it is getting off the topic and I personally am tired of it..


thank you

Your so rite and since if it was still on topic there would be a few people that posted on here we would not have to listen to. For those of you that forgot this post is about a man being aressted for having guns when he was on probatoin and for other things that has nothing to do with rape.So those of you that want to talk about rape start your own post some where else http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/angry.gif

[beautiful_mess38]

I agree with TC. This thread should stay open so when the trial comes we can post info here.

The way I agree with TC is if you want to talk about the rape incident or racism start a new thread. That way it can be closed if it gets out of hand.

[John @ 3300ft.]

It's not too far off topic...
There is a alleged racism subplot to the sordid rape case.
If Nazi Skinheads and the KKK aren't about racism, what is?

[beautiful_mess38]

John thier talking about a "rape incident" not about racism. Thier are alot of people in here that don't know the facts to the rape.

Racism is on topic. The rape case isn't.

There are some moderators whom want this thread closed. I'm trying to keep it open. But if you guys keep talking about the "rape incident" it will be closed.

[Michelle]

well the topic is about unity fest that was GOING to be held at a man who was busted for breaking parole and they found evindence of a Unity Fest going to happen at his house along with guns and making of homemade bombs etc...

and now his wife was arrested twice..... for different charges..that is what needs to be talked about...



I click on this topic to keep track of what is going on with a man who WAS going to hold and still did go on a unity fest . I don't want to read about the rape it HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS TOPIC.. .there is no racial topic in that.. not what a grandmother thinks the reason he was excused and or convicted of because of racial...

it has been warned and warned to start a new topic about this rape and nothing that i can find has been done... keep talking up the talk and i will make sure this topic will be closed......



I would like to know if anyone read or heard what the second set of charges were against Mrs. Hubbard????? and is she out of jail and is the husband still in jail.....



Thank YOU

[There\'s Ointment For That]

She's out on bail he is still in jail.

[Ironhorse]

I think the second arrest of Hubbard was when she was finally charged with the Hate Crime charge. They had to check with the Attorney General, DA and FBI to make sure the evidence they found at the house supported the evidence for the charge as I heard.

[John @ 3300ft.]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
John thier talking about a "rape incident" not about racism. Thier are alot of people in here that don't know the facts to the rape.

Racism is on topic. The rape case isn't.

There are some moderators whom want this thread closed. I'm trying to keep it open. But if you guys keep talking about the "rape incident" it will be closed.
I can freakin' read...
Some other people here obviously only read every third word.
My statement was/is valid. If the posts weren't "on topic" enough for you, that's fine.
You've been blessed with the holy ring of the big cheese...

[beautiful_mess38]

Oh for pete's sake. Here we go.

I'll have another moderator take over from here.

[Dodgergirl]

Thought Goddess was the Mod for this forum... and no one was blessed with anythig that I know of. People who are Moderators are asked because the Admin feels they are able to handle the task... and because they are willing to help out in a forum they feel close to.

I believe this topic should be kept open for info on the case, and I also believe that the topic will go off on tangents occasionally, that's how conversations usually work, isn't it? It's the job of the Moderator to bring the thread back to the original topic, or move the secondary topic to another thread.

If someone feels strongly about the rape case, then they should take the iniative & open a thread to discuss it.

Get a grip.

[BGW]

Which was my point when I said:

Originally posted by bgirlsworld:
Though still in an area open to non-members, there is a thread already started on this topic. http://oakhurstforums.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6416031741/m/3816088603/p/1

Would it be possible to take this argument there?

There is a threat for that/this argument...

[Mysteefied]

The only problem I see is that particular thread is closed.

While there will be talk about the unity fest and its happenings here, there perhaps should be a seperate thread for just racism. and yet another just for rape.

there is my 2 cents and by the way, no one needs to be trying to put down any of the moderators, we are just trying to keep things nice.

[mcdavictim]

Originally posted by John @ 3300ft.:
It's not too far off topic...
There is a alleged racism subplot to the sordid rape case.
If Nazi Skinheads and the KKK aren't about racism, what is?

Exactly what I was hoping to show. Many think that Racism was part or this case.

some are not the brightest color in the crayola box.

[Michelle]

well if you want to THINK we have the holy ring that is fine... stay on the topic of what it is or the next thing will happen is the door will close....

i personally brought the topic back and a few others answered and NOW it is going back ... soooooooooooooooooo the door is half way now....

it is up to you guys.....I dont' care what people or how they want to think about mod's but that is our job... the job we told the owner we will take and i feel i am doing the job right....

so last warning...



*stay cool today it is gonna be HOT *

[Sunaj]

What a load of crap. So what if he had gunpowder, you can make a bomb out of gasoline-that doesnt make you a terrorist, gunpowder is perfectly legal, it is a load of bull trying to make hay out of this, typical police bullshyte.
The charges against the wife are what stand out here, did they really need a ******* swat team to arrest her at her school? And what is this about her getting arrested on charges over a year ago for getting into a verbal with someone? That is where goverment is getting fascist, Christ, you can get arrested for simply getting into an arguement now? The police were way out of line going after the wife like this Sunaj

[Michelle]

But what I heard is that they arrested her for stuff on her computer at school and or home....

so what were/are the different charges on her then.?

[wandaful]

Originally posted by Sunaj:
What a load of crap. So what if he had gunpowder, you can make a bomb out of gasoline-that doesnt make you a terrorist, gunpowder is perfectly legal, it is a load of bull trying to make hay out of this, typical police bullshyte.
The charges against the wife are what stand out here, did they really need a ******* swat team to arrest her at her school? And what is this about her getting arrested on charges over a year ago for getting into a verbal with someone? That is where goverment is getting fascist, Christ, you can get arrested for simply getting into an arguement now? The police were way out of line going after the wife like this Sunaj
I think his affiliation with the KKK is what may label him a terrorist. And you can get arrested for a lot of things now that you couldn't pre 9/11 The government has given itself pretty broad powers.

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by Sunaj:
What a load of crap. So what if he had gunpowder, you can make a bomb out of gasoline-that doesnt make you a terrorist, gunpowder is perfectly legal, it is a load of bull trying to make hay out of this, typical police bullshyte.
The charges against the wife are what stand out here, did they really need a ******* swat team to arrest her at her school? And what is this about her getting arrested on charges over a year ago for getting into a verbal with someone? That is where goverment is getting fascist, Christ, you can get arrested for simply getting into an arguement now? The police were way out of line going after the wife like this Sunaj

I have fertilizer and tourists annoy me. Does that mean that I am going to blow up something in Oakhurst? Nah, I am going to fertilize my lawn and gripe about the tourists until September.

Yeah, I said earlier in the thread the zooish and much publicised arrest at the school was needless, they know where she lives right? Why not arrest her there in private?

*Pats her Joey and hops away*

[Yosemite Joy]

Originally posted by Sunaj:
What a load of crap. So what if he had gunpowder, you can make a bomb out of gasoline-that doesnt make you a terrorist, gunpowder is perfectly legal, it is a load of bull trying to make hay out of this, typical police bullshyte.
The charges against the wife are what stand out here, did they really need a ******* swat team to arrest her at her school? And what is this about her getting arrested on charges over a year ago for getting into a verbal with someone? That is where goverment is getting fascist, Christ, you can get arrested for simply getting into an arguement now? The police were way out of line going after the wife like this Sunaj

Yay, someone who knows what fascism is.

[Coldwolf]

Originally posted by Sunaj:
What a load of crap. So what if he had gunpowder, you can make a bomb out of gasoline-that doesnt make you a terrorist, gunpowder is perfectly legal, it is a load of bull trying to make hay out of this, typical police bullshyte.
The charges against the wife are what stand out here, did they really need a ******* swat team to arrest her at her school? And what is this about her getting arrested on charges over a year ago for getting into a verbal with someone? That is where goverment is getting fascist, Christ, you can get arrested for simply getting into an arguement now? The police were way out of line going after the wife like this Sunaj

This is a late post to this, but the reality is, it was not legal for him to have guns, ammo or gunpowder. He is a previously convicted felon. His previous crime was for making terrorist threats, which I will say probably was a BS charge, and for spousal abuse, which probably wasn't a BS charge.

As for the woman, and her "verbal" asssault, it wasn't verbal. She chased the Jewish woman, a friend of mine, blocked her in at the bank by parking her car behind Danni's, started her verbal assault and when Danni stood up to her, physically attacked her. It wasn't prosecuted last year because the investigating deputy said it was mutual combat. At the time he said the only two witnesses were the daughters of each of the women. He failed to interview the young man standing there who was not related to either of the women. After the Hubbards were the focus of the news, the year old case was brought in focus by Danni, and a detective finally asked about the third witness.

[Sunaj]

Well that certainly is an interesting post, however still , I have to wonder about the timing of the whole thing, and why your report wasn't included earlier than this. I would like to verify your information further, as if what you said is true it certainly would shed some light on the matter.
I was referring to the way in which the news reported the incident, as if possessing guns or gunpowder makes one a terrorist. That is what I consider total BS-hell half of coarsegold would be terrorists if that was truehttp://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif
Thanks for posting sunaj

[YHSROCKS2006]

Off topic, but Moody Knotts is a racist and I beat him up.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

YHSROCKS2006... you make the whole situation worse by beating up a so called racist.
Having guns and gunpowder does not make one a terrourist. Beating up someone is a felony.
Just cos Yosemite Joy has fertliser and hates tourists makes her a terrourist NOT.

Guns belong in the hands of mature ppl.

[YHSROCKS2006]

No, I ended the situation.

[Coldwolf]

Originally posted by YHSROCKS2006:
No, I ended the situation.

Not likely. More is that chance that you have exasperated it by violence.

[YHSROCKS2006]

Originally posted by Coldwolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by YHSROCKS2006:
No, I ended the situation.

Not likely. More is that chance that you have exasperated it by violence. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like I said, it's over.

[Newcomer]

"Nothing is over!!! You drew first blood"..

Rambo - First Blood 1982

[beautiful_mess38]

I agree, yhsrocks...you have alot of growing up to to.

And beleave me nothing has ended..it's just begun.

[YHSROCKS2006]

Originally posted by beautiful_mess38:
I agree, yhsrocks...you have alot of growing up to to.

And beleave me nothing has ended..it's just begun.
It happened two years ago. It's OVAH

[Sandman]

Donna Hubbard, received three years of formal probation and 400 hours of community service. via KFSN-TV Fresno (http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=local&id=5133384)


More... (http://www.topix.net/city/oakhurst-ca/2007/03/hate-crime-teacher-sentenced)