Are you registered to vote?

[TOT]

[TOT]

[Raider]

Wow, according to this poll only 3 of us are registered to vote. Of coruse we all know that polls lie. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/yes.gif http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif

[Raider]

Ok I'll start, I am registered, and have voted and allways will vote. Now who else ?

[Jimi]

I am registered .... and do vote.....

[Jimi]

okay ..... we had a stupid challenge stating we needed to have erved in the Military if we were to express how we feel ....

Lets see who is a voter... and not just this year .... do you vote ??? are you really worth arguing with ... because ... you have no right to complain or speak .... if you do not vote ... or are not at least registered

[Raider]

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[Goddesschyyld]

I am registered to vote and have voted since I was 18...which was a long time ago.

[Jimi]

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[Raider]

Still only six people http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/disappointed.gif

[TOT]

poor voter turnout on this thing, eh?

i'm registered, and often vote, but not always. honestly, if i don't agree with anything i'm not voting on something.

i haven't found a presidential candidate i'm behind yet, we'll see....

[Raider]

Were up to eight registered voters out of the 662 members on this board. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/disappointed.gif

[Yosemite Joy]

I was watching Los Angeles news a week or so ago and they were interviewing UCLA students who had just watched the second Presidential Debate... They asked this young man what he thought of the debate and he said, "I do not really care about politics and I would never vote because voting is supporting the system and the system is bad." That is verbotem by the way, honestly! This is a University student for Pete's sake!!! What the heck is the world coming to?

I am registered to vote, of course.

[Sandman]

I have always registered and have always voted at the Presidential election. I voted a few other times to pas some laws that I agree with. I was disapointed at the last election and swore I wouldn't waste the time voting again. However, that was 4 years ago and a lot has changed. Or has it? We'll see...

I don't like Bush. I don't like Kerry. So, why vote? Who do I vote for? Perhaps I'll write in Bill Gates. He seems to know how to run a business, right? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif LOL Then the largest company can control the country too. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/rolleyes2.gif Yikes! I'll vote, but I'm gonna punch some random holes this time. LOL. Like it matters.... Kerry is going to win California. I'll put money on it. Let's get rid of this electoral college. Amen!

[Goddesschyyld]

Today was the last day to register to vote. Hope everyone who wasn't registered made sure to get their forms sent in, in time. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif

[TOT]

once again i agree with Sandman...

tho i'm not sure about the Bill Gates thing http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif

[Sandman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOT:
once again i agree with Sandman...

tho i'm not sure about the Bill Gates thing http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahahaha... if you agreed with the Bill Gates thing, I'd be scared. LOL!!! The Bill Gates thing was something that was brought up at our party night out at Cactus Jacks last Thursday. Yes, we were taliking politics with Jimi. No, there was no name calling. LOL

[Sandman]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOT:
once again i agree with Sandman...

tho i'm not sure about the Bill Gates thing http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hahahaha... if you agreed with the Bill Gates thing, I'd be scared. LOL!!! The Bill Gates thing was something that was brought up at our party night out at Cactus Jacks last Thursday. Yes, we were taliking politics with Jimi. No, there was no name calling. LOL

[shansard]

I always vote! I believe women fought way too hard to give me the right to vote and it would be insulting their struggle if I didn't vote.

[MtnEagle]

Registered to vote a while back, Voted Absentee already too... I wrote in a name...

So Jimi... What's your first order of business when you get elected?

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[TOT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandman:
Hahahaha... if you agreed with the Bill Gates thing, I'd be scared. LOL!!! The Bill Gates thing was something that was brought up at our party night out at Cactus Jacks last Thursday. Yes, we were taliking politics with Jimi. No, there was no name calling. LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow. Now there's a shocker. I'd like to meet him in real life, but i've always been afraid of the politics bit.

If i were to write in anyone besides Nader, it would be Utah Phillips. He ran once. Works for me.

[TOT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
I always vote! I believe women fought way too hard to give me the right to vote and it would be insulting their struggle if I didn't vote. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For voting people into positions- what if you don't feel comfortable with any candidate? Would you still vote for one just to exercise your right to vote?

[TOT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
I always vote! I believe women fought way too hard to give me the right to vote and it would be insulting their struggle if I didn't vote. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For voting people into positions- what if you don't feel comfortable with any candidate? Would you still vote for one just to exercise your right to vote?

[MtnEagle]

Isn't that a Vote of Non-Confidence?

I believe you can check the empty box and put No-one down...

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[Jimi]

abstaining a vote or two is still voting

not showing up is wrong

[TOT]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
abstaining a vote or two is still voting

not showing up is wrong <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

oooh, i get to piss people off!

i don't believe in organized religion...i mean i know it exists but i do not agree with it and therefore do not support it and no longer attend church.

i don't agree with the way politics are now and see no need to support it this year. i'm not comfortable with voting and am not going to vote for something/someone i don't understand/don't agree with

i'm just all kinds of wrong http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif

*edit* if i did vote it would just to be to attempt to get bush out of office. but i don't think i'd be happy with those results either.

[Mibrew]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by TOT:

Wow. Now there's a shocker. I'd like to meet him in real life.

Met him a long time ago at a resturant bar called Stoddards which by the way is a Microbrewery http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smile.gif, hes really a down to earth person, very friendly, also met Steve Jobs, and was not to impressed not as friendly, seemed stuck up, but The Woz, now he's is fun, very talkative, had a blast at the US Festival.

[TOT]

lol - actually, i meant Jimi. i couldn't care much less about bill gates. unless he was going to give me money/build me a house, of course http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smile.gif

[shansard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TOT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
I always vote! I believe women fought way too hard to give me the right to vote and it would be insulting their struggle if I didn't vote. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For voting people into positions- what if you don't feel comfortable with any candidate? Would you still vote for one just to exercise your right to vote? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In this year's election I will vote for the person I think is the lesser of two evils.

[Mibrew]

Come on.... Cal Girl, vote for anybody, even your favorite actor if needed...

ROCK THE VOTE http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smash.gif

[Jimi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Californi Girl:
Ive been holding back because I semi agree with Jimi saying non voters have no right to say anything. But then I got to thinking, and its my american right to choose not to vote for whatever reasons make sense to me.
Ive made the decision to remain passive and uninvolved because I dont have faith in our current system. I dont even believe that its going to be in tact a decade from now. Im choosing to not contribute to a corrupt system, to keep my mind free from its contaminates, and to keep my thoughts & opinions from becoming nothing more than statistics. To me, thats about as american as you can get.
Let the flaming begin. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


see the problem is that there is a lot more to vote on then the president ....

if the only point of view was the president then a total abstention is of course okay ......

but not all of the issues are National or as Terrible a choice as our Presidrntial debate

Here in California Barbara Boxer is up ....and I wish gone ....

the Tribal tax initiatives are up ....

California stem cell research ...

So do not stay away /// look into what matters to you and get involved .....

Things are run by the people who show up

[Jimi]

Presidential Race

Democrats:
• John Kerry

Republicans:
• George Bush ( i )


Other:
• Michael Badnarik (Libertarian)

• David Cobb (Green)

• Michael Peroutka (Constitution Party)


Independents:
• Ralph Nader


(i) = incumbent


U.S. Senate, CA

Democrats:
• Barbara Boxer ( i )

Republicans:
• Bill Jones


Other:
• Marsha Feinland (Peace and Freedom)

• James Gray (Libertarian)

• Don Grundmann (American Independent)


(i) = incumbent State Profile (AP)


U.S. House, CA 19th District

Democrats:
• James Bufford

Republicans:
• George Radanovich ( i )


Other:
• Larry Mullen (Green)


(i) = incumbent


State Senate, CA, 14th District

Democrats:
None Republicans:
None
(i) = incumbent


State Assembly, CA, 25th District

Democrats:
• Bryan Marks

Republicans:
• Dave Cogdill ( i )


(i) = incumbent

[Jimi]

Ballot Measures, California (statewide)
Proposition 59 - SCA 1 (Resolution Chapter 1, Statutes of 2004). Burton.

Proposition 60 - SCA 18 (Resolution Chapter 103, 2004), Primary elections: surplus state property.

Proposition 63 - Mental Health Services Expansion and Funding. Tax on Incomes over $1 Million. Initiative Statute

Proposition 64 - Limitations on Enforcement of Unfair Business Competition Laws. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 72 - Referendum Petition to Overturn Amendments to Health Care Coverage Requirements.

Proposition 61 - Children's Hospital Projects. Grant Program. Bond Act. Initiative Statute

Proposition 62 - Elections. Primaries. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Proposition 65 - 1031. (SA03RF0067). Local Government Funds and Revenues. State Mandates. Initiative Constitutional Amendment.

Proposition 66 - 1015. (SA03RF0047, Amdt. #1-S). Limitations on "Three Strikes" Law. Sex Crimes. Punishment. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 67 - 1010. (SA03RF0043). Emergency and Medical Services. Funding. Telephone Surcharge. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Proposition 68 - 1027. (SA03RF0059). Tribal Gaming Compact Renegotiation. Non-Tribal Commercial Gambling Expansion. Revenues, Tax Exemptions. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Proposition 69 - 1029. (SA03RF0065). DNA Samples. Collection. Database. Funding. Initiative Statute.

Proposition 70 - 1046. (SA04RF0005, Amdt. #1-NS). Tribal Gaming Compacts. Exclusive Gaming Rights. Contributions to State. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Proposition 71 - 1021. (SA03RF0055, Amdt. #1-NS). Stem Cell Research. Funding. Bonds. Initiative Constitutional Amendment and Statute.

Proposition 1A - SCA 4 (Resolution Chapter 133, Statutes of 2004). Torlakson. Protection of Local Government Revenues.

Proposition 60A - SCA 18 (Resolution Chapter 103, Statutes of 2004). Johnson. Surplus Property. Legislative Constitutional Amendment

[Jimi]

they are trying to limit the 3 strikes rule ... under the new limit people like The Hillside strangle do not fit the profile of never to be released ...

The 3 strikes have worked....and we need to keep it ...

Vote against at least that

[Jimi]

I am sorry if you thought I thought you were ignorant ....

it is just this year there are some real important issues ..... soe have been lost in the Presidential race.... I was not pointing them out to just you .... but to everyone...

the 3 strikes is seldom on the news or discussed. and yet affects us moore than most issues ...
Some of the tribal gaming acts are here just to get more casinos ....

my vote seldom counts in the race for President .. but on local issues it always does

[shansard]

Blah, three strikes is a bunch of hooey! I believe that violent repeat offenders should be locked up, but sending someone away for 30 years for stealing a stereo from a car? BS. The intent of the law is wonderful and has my full support, but in reality it is too broadly applied. IMO.

[LindaBo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raider:
Ok I'll start, I am registered, and have voted and allways will vote. Now who else ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>....I,m not afraid to speak UP! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/tongue2.gif I guess i,m no.3 person. Boy thats good! now we can get this POT passed http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smoking.gif LindaBo

[LindaBo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
okay ..... we had a stupid challenge stating we needed to have erved in the Military if we were to express how we feel ....

Lets see who is a voter... and not just this year .... do you vote ??? are you really worth arguing with ... because ... you have no right to complain or speak .... if you do not vote ... or are not at least registered <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.....Thats Right! you tell them! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/shout.gif LindaBo

[LindaBo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
okay ..... we had a stupid challenge stating we needed to have erved in the Military if we were to express how we feel ....

Lets see who is a voter... and not just this year .... do you vote ??? are you really worth arguing with ... because ... you have no right to complain or speak .... if you do not vote ... or are not at least registered <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.....Thats Right! you tell them! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/shout.gif LindaBo

[LindaBo]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
Blah, three strikes is a bunch of hooey! I believe that violent repeat offenders should be locked up, but sending someone away for 30 years for stealing a stereo from a car? BS. The intent of the law is wonderful and has my full support, but in reality it is too broadly applied. IMO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>.. I agree! we need another look at this Law! http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/dozey.gif LindaBo

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
In this year's election I will vote for the person I think is the lesser of two evils. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... So you will be writing in Jimi also then? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif

[shansard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MtnEagle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
In this year's election I will vote for the person I think is the lesser of two evils. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... So you will be writing in Jimi also then? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhh....no comment.

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[shansard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MtnEagle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
In this year's election I will vote for the person I think is the lesser of two evils. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... So you will be writing in Jimi also then? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhh....no comment.

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[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MtnEagle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shansard:
In this year's election I will vote for the person I think is the lesser of two evils. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah... So you will be writing in Jimi also then? http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/nice.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahhhh....no comment.

http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smoking.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's ok... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif I was kidding of course... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/laugh3.gif

[Jimi]

the three strikes rule works....

Crime has gone down dramatically with it ...

I think it needs tweeking ... but this law change they are proposing is too dramatic....

Charles Manson would not fit under this law ....

unless seperately charged ...it would be one conviction .....

SO wrong

[shansard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
the three strikes rule works....

Crime has gone down dramatically with it ...

I think it needs tweeking ... but this law change they are proposing is too dramatic....

Charles Manson would not fit under this law ....

unless seperately charged ...it would be one conviction .....

SO wrong <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Crime may have gone down (stats?) but the prison population has risen too fast too quickly, which means prisons are overcrowded, guards are overwhelmed and fights break out. Incarcerating someone for 30+ years for stealing a stereo costs taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, I'd rather have that money spent on rehabilitation and education (obviously this doesn't apply to murderers).

[Mibrew]

I absolutely agree the 3 strike law must be re-writen as the way it stands now....

But to throw your hands up and say the whole system is corrupt and I do not want to contribute because it will keep my mind free from contaminates and thats the American way...

Sorry, but I can not agree with that statementThats not the American way http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/no.gif

[shansard]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mibrew:

But to throw your hands up and say the whole system is corrupt and I do not want to contribute because it will keep my mind free from contaminates and thats the American way...

Sorry, but I can not agree with that statement_Thats not the American way_ http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/no.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree.

[Sandman]

What a nice, calm debate... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif I love it!

I see all sides of this issue.

Down with the electoral college!!!

[Mibrew]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Californi Girl:

BY THE WAY! I was informed today that as long as Im still getting jury duty summons Im still registered to vote from when I was a kid. So I guess technically I AM registered. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Once you register you are permanently registered unless you move out of the county. If you move out of the county you must register in your new county, does not matter if your summons to Jury duty.

[shansard]

The jury pool is pulled from voting records and driver's license applications.

[Jimi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandman:
What a nice, calm debate... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif I love it!

I see all sides of this issue.

_Down with the electoral college!!!_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So what you are saying is .... California,Texas and New York and possibly Florida should get all the campaigning and elect all the Presidents in the future....

The Electorial college makes it a little more fair for Wyoming ..... in the last Election California was the populus vote that won that for Gore...... this is why we have what we have .... maybe it needs revamping ... but if you do away with the elctorial college, you would disinfranchise the small states....

What a great Idea the founding fathers had .... so long agao .. to make the power of the country go to everyone ...

[Jimi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sandman:
What a nice, calm debate... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/wink2.gif I love it!

I see all sides of this issue.

_Down with the electoral college!!!_ <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I am here ????? who is missing ???

[beautiful_mess38]

i am registered to vote and have since i was 18.

like jimi said there's more to vote on then just presidents.

if you want a change then people need to stand up and make change happen. you can't do that by closing your door and hiding away in you home.

as far as 3 strikes i'm all for it. the crimenal knows if he screws up again even if its stealing a radio, he will go to prison for the rest of his life. its his choice.

as far as the prison system, i'm all for the death penalty. a prisnor shouldn't be sitting on death row for 20 years.

you need to understand these people know there doing wrong, they know what can happen and they choose to do it anyway.
they don't have my sympathy.

if you want change go vote.

[Jimi]

besides if he was caught 3 times... how many times wasnt he ?

[Jimi]

President Clinton was elected with less then half registered voters

the less people who vote ... the less choice we have

this is not YLP where you need 40% for a quorum

not voting is a statement .... but it will not change a thing .... and you do have your right to do so

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Californi Girl:
Im really feeling a need to add that I see my refusal to vote as actually doing something, not just hiding out. Really, if half the US decided to be stubborn and hold out until we had a choice worth making...there would be changes. As long as you take whats given and never question it there will NEVER be a change. I know its basically me versus the entire forum here, but seriously think about this. I might just have a point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just because Mibrew doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean the whole Forums are against you. The American Way does not come down to what one individual feels. You are just as free to NOT vote as he is to state his opinion of you NOT voting...

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Freedom IS the American Way!

[Jimi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MtnEagle:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Californi Girl:
Im really feeling a need to add that I see my refusal to vote as actually doing something, not just hiding out. Really, if half the US decided to be stubborn and hold out until we had a choice worth making...there would be changes. As long as you take whats given and never question it there will NEVER be a change. I know its basically me versus the entire forum here, but seriously think about this. I might just have a point. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just because Mibrew doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean the whole Forums are against you. The American Way does not come down to what one individual feels. You are just as free to NOT vote as he is to state his opinion of you NOT voting...

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Freedom __IS__ the American Way! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No way ...... I thought MiBrew was da man

[SheilaMae]

I thought and thought and thought about this instead of just flying off a quick reply but I think not voting is indefensible. If there is a "cause" to it - not voting is a mute statement. I know this sounds way radical but I think if you are legally qualified to vote and don't there ought to be a neighborhood in every community or the US ought to designate an area where those who don't vote have all their benefits of government regulated services and goods suspended for a time - say until the next designated voting day. It would have no roads or highways, no police or fire protection, no public library, no goods produced using regulation safety standards, no environmental protection, no tv or radio with any standards for decency, no trade regulation prohibiting monopoly or price gouging or fixing....etc, etc....
-Sheila

[Mibrew]

Ok guys,

Sheila, I think Mt Eagle was just trying to start a squabble like he does with Jimi, I dont think he read the post I was responded to, unless he agrees that not voting or getting envolved on any issues is really the American way, which I think we all know is wrong.

and Cal. girl has the right to not vote, but people that dont vote on matters that could effect them should not complain after the fact.

[SheilaMae]

My comments had nothing to do with MtnEagle really. I've had to FIGHT for the right to vote and feel very strongly about it. In '88 we were trying to buy our first house, living in a short term rental and I hadn't changed my registration not wanting to have to do it twice IF we got our house before election time. When it was apparrent on the last day for registration that I was going to be voting in the short term location I went to file a change of address from the prior registration. The clerk gave me the wrong form thinking I was changing address within the county, not the one for from county to county (why they have separate forms I don't understand). Days before the election I get a notice that I am improperly registered and ineligible to vote. Boy, was I angry!!! I went to talk to the clerk and she remembered and admitted it was her error and tried to "correct it" through her boss and on to the Prez of the County Board of Elections even but no dice. Ultimately I called a lawyer who specialized in consumer advocacy and he passed along my issue to a state representative who wheedled the Prez of the Board of Elections and I was called, hustled into a back room at the county building and witnessed as I backdated a "correct" form and destroyed the incorrect form. You never quite feel the same about the 'option' of voting after being told you CAN'T vote!
-Sheila

[Mibrew]

Thats too bad about your experience Sheila, but good for you...fight for your right http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/yes.gif

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[Jimi]

Ohhh nooooo I agrees again .... Sheila.....

See if you go down and mark every ballot with a "other", then you have made a statement ...other then that .... you are showing apathy ... and no change has been made....

The cost of freedom is high.....not voting is a right .... but not a declaration of freedom ...

And thanks Brew I thought I was the only one who noticed when some one was personally baiting so they could later criticize

[Jimi]

no one said you were complaining ... I said baiting ... and not a reference to you ...

You have every right to not vote ... I personally do not think that changes a thing ... as we have had less than a 50% vote in the past .... and nothing is done ... we just allow others to decide...

But you have that right ....


But there is a few who say things in little messages ... just to inflame and cause discord... then they complain when the discord happens

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mibrew:
I dont think he read the post I was responded to, unless he agrees that not voting or getting envolved on any issues is really the American way, which I think we all know is wrong.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Mibrew, it's quite the opposite, I did read her post, and that is why I repsonded the way I did. In my opinion (and obviously it doesn't agree with yours) Freedom is just that, freedom of choice, choice to vote or not to vote, choice of who to vote, etc.

Freedom is not someone who Condescendingly tells someone else that they MUST vote, or how to vote...


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mibrew: I think Mt Eagle was just trying to start a squabble like he does with Jimi... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pot calling the Kettle black... Jimi's record stand for itself as much as mine does... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smoking.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mibrew: Ok guys... ...that not voting or getting envolved on any issues is really the American way, which I think we all know is wrong. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what is this? Who are you to assume we all look to you for our opinions?

I'm not really trying to start a squabble here, it just seems a bit arrogant to me that you speak to everyone here on these forums like this. We are all equals here whether you like it or not... http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/smoking.gif

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
But there is a few who say things in little messages ... just to inflame and cause discord... then they complain when the discord happens <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/laugh3.gif Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

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[Jimi]

Mtn ... you always feel you are the authority ... I never get that from MiBrew.....

you speak and we should bow ....

now you are not moderator ... you act the same way ... and now bait like you did here

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
Mtn ... you always feel you are the authority ... I never get that from MiBrew.....

you speak and we should bow ....

now you are not moderator ... you act the same way ... and now bait like you did here <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wasn't bait. It's an observation.

[Jimi]

now .... when some one agrees with how you feel about me .. you call it true and honest ....

Seems some one agrees with me on this... so it is true and honest ....

See you cannot have it both ways ... you cannot say I am always right(like you do) and not take critisizm

[SheilaMae]

Okay, okay...who IS the moderator here??? I'm at a loss as to THESE politics but seems to me that personal attacks/barbs, whatever should be personal. Can't you guys please pm the stings and slaps, etc at each other??? If this were a public gathering place like a coffee shop or bar or even the gas station someone woulda had you arrested by now.

Californi Girl...I didn't attack you personally with my admittedly strong disagreement. I was addressing the issue...not YOU and I sincerely hope you did not take it personally. I used my example because even though one may as you said, pay taxes, it's also important to be as sure as you can be (and short of full time activism voting is the only surity we have) that your tax dollars are spent on what's important. IF those elected are held accountable to us, by the power of the vote, they could do anything at all with our tax dollars and that means not providing roads, highways, police and fire protection, etc., etc...it's illustrative and harsh, I know. But it would sure get a message through, I would think to have those services, priviledges, etc absent for a time.
-Sheila

[SheilaMae]

er...I meant to say, if those responsible to us are NOT held accountable by the vote, etc....
-Sheila

[Raider]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Californi Girl:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jimi:
no one said you were complaining <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
mibrew did...so i guess that wasnt a reference to you either. and if anyones baiting (which i dont believe anyone is), then its whoever started this stupid thread in the first place. All I did was answer different than the majority, and Ive been attacked ever since. The mountains arent that boring guys. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I don't think Tot was trying to bait anyone, in fact I kind of think she hates that sort of stuff. C.G. you can't take this stuff to personally, as sometimes what starts out as a simple question can trun into a heated debate. Sometimes unfortunately these kinds of feuds get mixed in and innocent people are pulled in. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/sad2.gif

[MtnEagle]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Raider:
I don't think Tot was trying to bait anyone, in fact I kind of think she hates that sort of stuff. C.G. you can't take this stuff to personally, as sometimes what starts out as a simple question can trun into a heated debate. Sometimes unfortunately these kinds of feuds get mixed in and innocent people are pulled in. http://oakhurstforums.com/icon/sad2.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The "Baiting" reference is pointed at me, although I find the one accusing me of it quite amusing to do that considering the source...

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SheilaMae:Okay, okay...who IS the moderator here??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mat, Surfus, or whoever was chosen for this topic...

Everyone will be pleased to know I am stepping away from these forums for a few weeks, because I really don't want this board to be tore up over all this. Too much like the days of Grizzly, and I really honestly don't come here for this. I just have a hard time dealing with people who think they speak for me, and so feel compelled to respond in kind. So, me being part of the problem, I will remove myself for a while and let everyone have a break...

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Cheers!

[Jimi]

Yeah ..... well I admit when I bait some one .... you pretend to be nice and do it ....

Oh well ...

[Jimi]

Yeah ..... well I admit when I bait some one .... you pretend to be nice and do it ....

Oh well ...