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Ironhorse
Feb 10, 2008, 12:07 PM
Plan would sidestep Electoral College By NGUYEN HUY VU, Associated Press Writer
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SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - If John R. Koza gets his way, American voters will never again have to wonder about the workings of the Electoral College and why it decides who sits in the White House.

Koza is behind a push to have states circumvent the odd political math of the Electoral College and ensure that the presidency always goes to the winner of the popular vote.

Basically, states would promise to award their electoral votes to the candidate with the most support nationwide, regardless of who carries each particular state.

"We're just coming along and saying, 'Why not add up the votes of all 50 states and award the electoral votes to the 50-state winner?'" said Koza, chairman of National Popular Vote Inc. "I think that the candidate who gets the most votes should win the office."

The proposal is aimed at preventing a repeat of the 2000 election, when Al Gore got the most votes nationwide but George W. Bush put together enough victories in key states to win a majority in the Electoral College and capture the White House.

So far, Maryland and New Jersey have signed up for the plan. Legislation that would include Illinois is on the governor's desk. But dozens more states would have to join before the plan could take effect.

The idea is a long shot. But it appears to be easier than the approach tried previously — amending the Constitution, which takes approval by Congress and then ratification by 38 states.

The Electoral College was set up to make the final decision on who becomes president. Each state has a certain number of votes in the college based on the size of its congressional delegation.

Often, all of a state's electoral votes are given to whomever wins that state's popular vote. For instance, even someone who wins New York by a single percentage point, 51-49, would get all 31 of the state's electoral votes.

This creates some problems.

One is that candidates can ignore voters in states that aren't competitive. If the Democrat is clearly going to win a state, the Republican has no reason to court its minority of GOP voters there and instead will focus on other states.

Another problem is the possibility of a result like that in 2000, where one candidate gets more votes overall but the other candidate gets narrow victories in just the right states to eke out a majority in the Electoral College.

National Popular Vote says its plan would change all that.

"What's important to the country is that it would make presidential campaigns a 50-state exercise," said Koza, a Stanford University computer science professor.

Here's how it would work:

States forge an agreement to change the way they allocate general election votes. The agreement would take effect once it's been approved by states with a majority in the Electoral College, or 270 votes.

At that point, the states would begin awarding their electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote, regardless of who carries each state.

If the candidates tied in the popular vote, each state would give its electoral votes to the candidate who carried that particular state — basically the same system used now.

There are critics. The downside, they argue, is that a close presidential election would require recounts not just in one or two key states, but throughout the entire country.

They also say it would further reduce the influence of small states as politicians focus on such places as voter-rich California, New York and Texas.

"Any way you look at it, I think smaller populations have a greater voice under the current system than they would under a national popular vote system," said North Dakota state Rep. Lawrence Klemin, a Republican who voted against joining his state in National Popular Vote's agreement.

Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich has not decided whether to sign his state's legislation to join the plan, his office said. When he was in Congress, Blagojevich co-sponsored a constitutional amendment to abolish the Electoral College in 2000.

Legislation endorsing the National Popular Vote plan was passed in California and Hawaii but vetoed by their governors. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said it would run "counter to the tradition of our great nation, which honors states' rights and the unique pride and identity of each state."

Koza believes the agreement proposal would standardize the way states award their electoral votes, give every voter equal influence and keep candidates from ignoring some states in favor of battleground states like Ohio and Florida.

He noted that neither presidential candidate visited Illinois in 2004, even though it has a population of about 12.8 million.

"The Republicans wrote it off and the Democrats took it for granted," Koza said, "and that's typical of two-thirds of the states."

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David_V
Feb 10, 2008, 06:11 PM
A better system, and one that has had success in other countries, is proportional elections. I think that's the term. You vote for a party, not a person. The party sends representatives to the capital. If a party in one state gets 30% of the votes, they get 30% of the representatives, and so on. That way no one party can rule and for anything to get done they have to compromise.

Either that or we go to all campaign monies for federal offices comes from public funds. No more corporate, or personal, donations. That way our representatives will represent everyone, not just their donors. We also need a viable third party.

Something needs to be done. What we're doing now just isn't working.

MadScot
Feb 10, 2008, 09:37 PM
A lot of people believe the system is broken. I would argue there is nothing wrong with the structure of our government it has just been corrupted. Most forms of government have the ability to function in a productive manner but no system will function that way if it is corrupted by outside influence. Our forefathers went to extremes to try and prevent what has happened. The whole 4 part structure was meant to ensure that the people would be protected from corruption. The problem is unregulated capitalism that has allowed corporations to grow to a point where they are able to influence every branch of the government. To me the big question is can it be changed through peaceful means or has it gone too far. Can we take back our country by working within the corrupted system. This was the topic of a heated debate I had in civics 30+ years ago. 1984 was fiction but a book called Who Rules America published in 1967 by Bill Domhoff wasn't. It laid out in detail who was really running things. The matrix of corporate control that touches every aspect of our lives. The death of Bobby Kennedy served as a warning to anyone who might try and reign in the corporate machine. It's almost amusing this stimulus plan they are so proud of getting passed. Every time they feel they have gone too far they throw us some crumbs. Guess it's good to try and make it look like they want to help. Domhoff has a website now that contains much of the info from his books.
http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/