animal control ..shocking ...

[Michelle]

Okay I have to post this....


My three children went for a walk, they ended up at a friends house from school. there was a dog there and all the kids were playing and running around and this dog came up and tried to bite my youngest son Justin on the back of the leg. sooooooo after a little while my kids said we are going to head home so they walk home and this same dog came out of the bushes and ran up behind Justin and bit him on the back of the arm.. so they kids yelled at the dog to go home and they brought justin home. as they walk down my driveway they tell me and dad justin got bit by the dog who lives just up the street. I was so pissed..... this lady never keeps her dog in a kennel and her husband thinks it is beautiful to let them run free and around other peoples houses... so we call animal control they are closed.. we call the sheriffs and they come out and take a report and pictures and such .. he tells me to call the animal control in the am because his report will take a few days to reach them.. so that is what we do and they person who my husband talk to told my husband that if it didnt' break the skin they will not come out.. well that pissed him and me off and he told her that was wrong and all that... so we find out they do a lic. check on the address of were the dog lives and boom they send someone out there and i met up with the lady and she was great.. she was shocked at the response my husband got and what they told him and it was true any kind of dog bite they HAVE TO COME OUT. because the dog has to be in put in a kennel for 10 days at her house the dog IS NOT ALLOWED OUT FOR 10 DAYS.. so we will see because the very next day after the bite the dog was at the bus stop... so i called the school and reported it and made sure everyone new around us to watch out for the children and grandchildren about the loose dog running around.... so this lady does not even understand how much she could loose over this...
why do people act so blind and think it is right to let there dog run loose.... it is sad....
anyways just wanted to post this....

[Californee Girl]

That is wrong Michelle. I hope your boy doesnt develop a fear of dogs now. The owners should be ashamed, not just for letting their dog run loose but for raising such a mean one. You should post warnings around the neighborhood.

[Yosemite Joy]

I was bitten by a very dangerous dog in Coarsegold. It bit me on the butt (no joke) as I reached into my car to get something out. No bark, no nothing, like it was stalking me or something. This same dog had killed and eaten a golden retriever (a neighbors) and several other small animals. Very dangerous, and trained to be that way. Needed to be put down.

After I was bitten I called Animal Control, and the woman came out. She told me that the owner of the dog denied that his dog bit me, and said that he told her I was a liar. (He had tried to pay me off so I wouldn't call Animal Control). She said she "had to see the wound, because she can't do anything unless she sees the wound". So I pulled down my pants and showed her. She told me it "didn't look like a dog bite" though it clearly did. She treated me like I was a trashy liar or something.

She did absolutely nothing to the owner, the dog, or anyone. I believe he did pay her off, as he is quite wealthy.

[Kahlua Kid]

Unbelievable!

I've been told that if a dog or other animal is on my property attacking my livestock, I have to right to shoot it.

Have you heard anything about that? Cause I'm ready to shoot a certain little pipsqueak of a dog our neighbors never keep on their property - he's at our place more often than theirs harrasing our cats, digging out the catfood cans, and chasing us barking.

Its been about 2 years now and I've been waiting for the Coyotes to eat him, but they haven't!

I know, I sound mean, but we're sick of that little dog!

Next time you get a dog bite put some rouge on it, maybe even fake blood! For God sakes... a bite is a bite - whether it tore a chunk of skin or didn't doesn't matter. My brother lost a chunk of his forehead as a kid from our next door neighbors dog through the fence... if they are going to bite people, its for real... not a joke.

[Mysteefied]

my good friend has a little dog that was recently attacked and after emergency surgery died last week. She called animal control and hasn't gotten a call back in almost a week, she is a shy lady and I think afraid of her neighbor. can anyone give me the animal control number, I may have to call again for her.

[Kahlua Kid]

Who governs the Animal Control center here? If they are non-responsive... they don't deserve their jobs!

[Mysteefied]

Agreed! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/shout.gif

[jakobscalpel]

Kahlua Kid, if you've talked to your neighbors about the dog and it is still doing it repeatedly, I suggest using any means necessary. Shooting is probably not a good option, but there are many other ways to "solve" the problem permanently. No mercy on rogue dogs!

[Ironhorse]

Kirstin Gross is the Director of Animal Control, if talking to her doesn't get the desired response, then complain to the Board of Supervisors, her bosses.

[Kahlua Kid]

Originally posted by jakobscalpel:
Kahlua Kid, if you've talked to your neighbors about the dog and it is still doing it repeatedly, I suggest using any means necessary. Shooting is probably not a good option, but there are many other ways to "solve" the problem permanently. No mercy on rogue dogs!

I couldn't really shoot a poor defenseless dog - but its fun to fantacize about getting rid of those little rats with a bark!

[CatdaBrat]

I have heard a lot of people say that they didn't move out to the country to keep their dogs enclosed or under control. they believe their pets have a right to their freedom, even if that means the animals are at risk of being struck by a vehicle.

I know that most people's dogs are let loose occasionally and I even did the same thing when I had dogs, but I would take them way out where there was no traffic. They especially loved the snow, but being a mixture of malamute, red wolf and siberian husky, that was no surprise.

[BGW]

I too know people that feel it is evil to fence in their dogs. Some purposely turn them loose at night so they may roam freely.

As has been posted before, there are now several packs of rogue and wild dogs roaming the mountain area and they have become dangerous and they do kill other pets to survive. I have a big problem with this.

The other thing I have observed is those same people that refuse to fence in their dogs are the first ones to scream when they discover a few left over parts and bits of their beloved family pet. They are also the first ones to pick up a shot gun and go after whatever larger critter made a meal of 'Spot". I have a big problem this too. The death of their child's pet is nobody's fault by their own; for letting their animal loose.

I am not sure of the solution as once again, I am sure this is one of those under staffed under paid Madera County issues.

[Kim]

I love those clotheslines with the wires that let the dogs run around a lot but still keep them in the yard. That's a dog run, right? (when I hear that term I just think of Iditarod).

[monkey]

Originally posted by bgirlsworld:
I too know people that feel it is evil to fence in their dogs. Some purposely turn them loose at night so they may roam freely.

As has been posted before, there are now several packs of rogue and wild dogs roaming the mountain area and they have become dangerous and they do kill other pets to survive. I have a big problem with this.

The other thing I have observed is those same people that refuse to fence in their dogs are the first ones to scream when they discover a few left over parts and bits of their beloved family pet. They are also the first ones to pick up a shot gun and go after whatever larger critter made a meal of 'Spot". I have a big problem this too. The death of their child's pet is nobody's fault by their own; for letting their animal loose.

I am not sure of the solution as once again, I am sure this is one of those under staffed under paid Madera County issues.

Maybe the solution is to let the dogs run free and tie up the irresponsible owners!

[jan]

Originally posted by Kahlua Kid:
Who governs the Animal Control center here? If they are non-responsive... they don't deserve their jobs! The Sheriffs Office governs the Animal Control, thats what they told me when I was HASSLED by a certain animal control woman who thinks shes a tuff cop,if your friends with her all is well, if not then she cant help you!

[jan]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Kirstin Gross is the Director of Animal Control, if talking to her doesn't get the desired response, then complain to the Board of Supervisors, her bosses. They will tell you to contact the sheriffs office!! Been there ,,done that!!

[Michelle]

I have my dogs in a nice kennels they have water a house and a nice room to walk around... I dont think there is anything wrong with making a kennel for them. I have another dog who is on a long chain, tried the kennel he claims out of it.. he loves his chain.. he have room to run and a house water.. I don't understand why people think kenneling your dog is wrong.. that is taking care of your animals and making sure they are comfy.. when it is winter time they get shavings to stay worm i make the food nice and warm... what is WRONG is letting your dog run at night during the day.. it is like letting your kids run the streets at night and do stupid things. my child was bitten by a dog who doesn't not have responisable owners .. letting your dog roam the streets is wrong. it pisses me off to hear that kenneling your dogs is wrong. nope it isn't wrong. people needt o understand if you are going to have a dog you need to take responisblity for your dog. all my kids are now scared to walk to a friends house. that is wrong. my kids think being in there own yard the dog is going to come on our property and bite one of them.. now that is wrong. I hate roaming dogs they get in my garbage on garbage day and i have to pick up there mess. they poop in my yard that pisses me off...
she doesnt even care that the dog bite my son. not a sorry nothing... people like that don't even understand what they can loose on a dog bite. a person can loose all they own. trust me i looked into it...
for animal control to tell my husband that they won't come out because it didn't go thru the entire skin....tisk tisk..... wonder if she wants to keep her job.......

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by jan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kahlua Kid:
Who governs the Animal Control center here? If they are non-responsive... they don't deserve their jobs! The Sheriffs Office governs the Animal Control, thats what they told me when I was HASSLED by a certain animal control woman who thinks shes a tuff cop,if your friends with her all is well, if not then she cant help you! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Then you're getting the run-around. Kirsten Gross is the Director/Department Head of Animal Control, she doesn't work for or report to the Sheriff. She reports to the Board of Supervisors. If you can't get anything done through either of them, then raise a stink in the newspapers. City and county both have leash laws, even though a lot of people in the county don't think there is one for the county. If the skin is broken, no it's not considered a quarantinable dog bite (as dog bite is defined by law), but it can be considered as a vicious dog, and there are different laws for that. So, you'd have at least 2 violations, loose dog and vicious dog. The Sheriff's office isn't going to do anything unless the dogs kill livestock, it needs to be handled by Animal Control. If they won't do it, and the BOS won't handle it, you could always go to the newspapers, or the Grand Jury. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/happy.gif

[Michelle]

as far as I am concerned the Sheriff's did more and helped me better at the time of the dog bite. It broke a layer of skin. I seen it when it happened.. but pictures won't tell .. I think if a dog bites no matter what should be under quarantined .. she doesn't want to go by the law and keep her animal in then she should loose her animals.. she lets them run around so I think they should take the animals from her... that is what i think.....

[Summer]

A short reply - our wonderful loving dog of 6 yrs. was poisoned and died last week. I find this so hard to understand. Yes, she did run the neighborhood but not after dark and usually she was by my husband's side during the day, but she did have free roam at times. I also thought we lived far enough out where there wouldn't be a problem but I guess not far enough. We've lived here for 6 yrs. and all the neighbors knew and loved her also. She loved horses and the ranch down the road never had a problem with her visiting. Heck, she even got along with a couple of llamas down the road. BUT - apparently she bothered someone. We have a couple of new neighbors and one of them have 2 horses. She may have thought it was ok to visit. I really don't know who did it but she wears tags and anyone you ask would have known where she lived. If anyone had a problem believe me we would have confined her as she was our love. We are heartbroken. So long story made short, always check with the owner first before any drastic move and I have learned the lesson of keeping my next dog confined - whether its the most wonderful dog in the world - cuz there's some impatient people out there that can be dangerous to your pet!

[Dawn]

Shouldn't all dogs be confined in their yard or inside the home? It is for their own safety and the safety of others.

[Summer]

Shouldn't all dogs be confined in their yard or inside the home? It is for their own safety and the safety of others.
Yep, that's the point I was making - learned it the hard way.

[Michelle]

Originally posted by Dawn:
Shouldn't all dogs be confined in their yard or inside the home? It is for their own safety and the safety of others.
that is why there is a law to protect your dogs and there owners.....

Summer I am so sad to hear someone would do that to an animal...

[Nascar8Fan]

I am so, so sorry Summer. I didn't know that part about what happened. She was such a sweet girl. That is just so horrible to think there are people out there that can actually live with themselves after doing such a horrible thing. My heart goes out to you and the family.

Originally posted by Summer:
A short reply - our wonderful loving dog of 6 yrs. was poisoned and died last week. I find this so hard to understand. Yes, she did run the neighborhood but not after dark and usually she was by my husband's side during the day, but she did have free roam at times. I also thought we lived far enough out where there wouldn't be a problem but I guess not far enough. We've lived here for 6 yrs. and all the neighbors knew and loved her also. She loved horses and the ranch down the road never had a problem with her visiting. Heck, she even got along with a couple of llamas down the road. BUT - apparently she bothered someone. We have a couple of new neighbors and one of them have 2 horses. She may have thought it was ok to visit. I really don't know who did it but she wears tags and anyone you ask would have known where she lived. If anyone had a problem believe me we would have confined her as she was our love. We are heartbroken. So long story made short, always check with the owner first before any drastic move and I have learned the lesson of keeping my next dog confined - whether its the most wonderful dog in the world - cuz there's some impatient people out there that can be dangerous to your pet!

[BGW]

Originally posted by Dawn:
Shouldn't all dogs be confined in their yard or inside the home? It is for their own safety and the safety of others.

I had to put in a new fence a couple of years ago and chose to sink the chainlink a foot or deeper into the ground. It keep the coyotes from trying to dig in and my dogs from thinking they need to dig out. My dogs always headed straight for the river or over to the schools and are bouncy silly labs...but I fear for their safety and even though at 10 yrs old there has never been a bad incident with them, one can never be too sure what a dog will do when cornered.

Shoot, the coyotes are so bad around here at night; plus living on the river I get a variety of large critters coming by my place, I don't even let my dogs stay out at night fence or no fence.

Summer, I am sorry your dog was killed. It is entirely possible that your dog was poisoned unintentionally as anti-freeze and slug bait are both tasty treats to free roaming dogs. There are just too many things for me to have to worry about if I let mine have the run of the 'hood'.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

I keep my dogs in the dog pen, or in the house. at times, each dog gets to run free to pee and poop.... but they each come back in 5-10 min. Topaz likes to test the limits of our property... running her lil legs off.... At nite, we take the dogs for a walkabout...topaz is always leashed, but Con gets to run free, cos he just jogs between mum, dad and topaz. and he comes when called if a car is approaching. My dogs are very well behaved to a point, but come into my yard and start trouble, and you WILL get bit!! Im sooooo sorry that you lost your doggie Summer! That totally sucks! I lost a cat to poisoning once, it was horrid. Ive lost too many pets.

[oakhurstleaf]

I don't like seeing dogs roam free, and if I see one...despite the inconvenience to my day (and it's an inconvenience everytime), I will try to get the dog. If it has ID tags, Woo-Hoo, I'll be calling that number. I don't want anyone's dog roaming free in my yard or down my street near Hwy 49 where it can get killed. There are three dogs in my 'hood who are loose and roaming on such a frequent basis that I know where they came from now and I return them without even a phone call to the owners...one comes from pretty far. He's old and deaf and he stands straight in the middle of the street just ready to get hit. I have to load him up and deliver him home....he wears no ID tag, but fortunately the 1st time I got him another neighbor/driver-by knew his origin. Then there's this little Yorkie who's always loose in her front yard...and inevitably makes a getaway always down to my house (6-7 houses down), and then there's a Beagle who lives across from the Yorkie. I know these ones. But I wish their owners were more conscious of their dogs well-being and safety and not feel like they can just trust their dog will return because of a neighbor's good deed. One of these days, they won't be so lucky. There have been strange, non-ID'd dogs that have roamed loose, and it's always my (or maybe their luck) I'm home...grab my Mom's dogleash and walk them around the neighborhood asking if anyone knows where he's from. Been very lucky with that...once it was darn near dark and fortunately, the owner's were driving sround looking for him and came upon me. Thank God.

I don't want to have to do this for other people. But I don't want to have dogs loose and in my yard. I've got cats who stay on their own property...they don't want to be chased into the trees or cornered. Dogs are not welcome here. And I don't want to see someone's dog get killed. The biggest thing that bothers me is the owners who don't put any tags on their dog. Should they escape, why make it so difficult to have them returned?

[Kahlua Kid]

I'm sorry Summer. She may not have been poisoned. Could have been a rattlesnake bite? Our neighbor had a dead cat, that looked perfectly fine, just lying dead. We all surmised rattlesnake.

I once stopped on the 41 on my commute to work to Fresno to get a pitbull off the 41. Everyone else thought I was crazy to stop traffic on the 41 -- and thinking back, I was. Risking my life to help someone else's dog... and while he'd run to me, he'd get 2 feet and then dodge back into traffic. I spent 15 minutes trying to get him and couldn't.

Another time, Newcomer and I stopped on Trabuco to get a Lab and a Mixed dog off the road. They were just hanging out standing over a blind hill... anyone coming up and over would not have seen them til it was too late... I ran them down the road Ino tags on them) and then had to go... what else can I do - I don't have the time to go door to door in our neighborhood - we have miles and miles of homes.

Dogs running amuck are so frequent up here that I'm starting to turn a blind eye. I can't save the world no matter how much I'd like to.

[Summer]

No, my dog was poisoned - was at the Vet's when she died. Vet said it was poison. Another dog and cat also died about the same time and they lived in this immediate area. Now whether it was intentional or accidental we'll never know. I don't want anyone thinking we let our dog roam the "hood". That was not true. 98% of time she was by her best friend (my husband)'s side. When she did venture off it was only on our road and not on a main road and only in small amts. of time like maybe 20 min. I really don't think someone intentionally poisoned her and it may have been anti-freeze or snail killer in someone's driveway like Bgirl said. She was never allowed out after dark - she was so friendly I was afraid she would pack with the coyotes. I know I am rambling but its tough around here without her. Excuse my emotion. But getting back to the main point I was trying to make - it is never safe to let any pet roam - even for 5 min., even if you feel so secure as we did, because anything can happen as we so sadly found out. I really like the idea of the clothesline thingy. We have too much property to fence in - fencing is expensive and we ain't rich. Well, don't think we have to worry for awhile as its heart breaking thinking of another pet right now. Ah, here I go blubbering again. Need to stop posting. Bottom line, keep your pets confined.

[Yosemite_Wolf]

Originally posted by Kahlua Kid:
I'm sorry Summer. She may not have been poisoned. Could have been a rattlesnake bite? Our neighbor had a dead cat, that looked perfectly fine, just lying dead. We all surmised rattlesnake.

I once stopped on the 41 on my commute to work to Fresno to get a pitbull off the 41. Everyone else thought I was crazy to stop traffic on the 41 -- and thinking back, I was. Risking my life to help someone else's dog... and while he'd run to me, he'd get 2 feet and then dodge back into traffic. I spent 15 minutes trying to get him and couldn't.

Another time, Newcomer and I stopped on Trabuco to get a Lab and a Mixed dog off the road. They were just hanging out standing over a blind hill... anyone coming up and over would not have seen them til it was too late... I ran them down the road Ino tags on them) and then had to go... what else can I do - I don't have the time to go door to door in our neighborhood - we have miles and miles of homes.

Dogs running amuck are so frequent up here that I'm starting to turn a blind eye. I can't save the world\\ no matter how much I'd like to. \\

you werent crazy. you prolly helped save the dogs life.
but dogs running amuck here are LOTS. Ill always stop and run Sammy back home though.. cos I know Messy will run my Con or Topaz back home in return, my heart bleeds when it sees a dead dog or coyote on the side of the road. Cats can piss off.. dogs.. i bleed for.

[Kahlua Kid]

My heart bleeds for any animal lying dead hit by a car... cat, dog, deer, rabbit, squirrel, skunk, coyote, tarantula - I love and respect all life.

[Ironhorse]

Originally posted by Kahlua Kid:
My heart bleeds for any animal lying dead hit by a car... cat, dog, deer, rabbit, squirrel, skunk, coyote, tarantula - I love and respect all life.

Well, I agreed with you.............up until you said tarantula. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif It's a spider, or a form of spider, and there just isn't enough room in this world for me and spiders. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/comp26.gif

[John @ 3300ft.]

Neighbor dogs running loose is uncool.
I don't have a fence. When I take my dog outside, I put an electric(hunting)dog collar on him. When he wanders out of sight, I call him back with the vibrate/page function.
With the collar, he has freedom with limits.

[Kahlua Kid]

Originally posted by Ironhorse:
Well, I agreed with you.............up until you said tarantula. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/freak.gif It's a spider, or a form of spider, and there just isn't enough room in this world for me and spiders. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/comp26.gif

All living creatures belong here on Earth -that is my thought! And yes, I put spiders and bugs out... I try not to kill them - but I'd prefer them outside than inside my home! http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif

[Summer]

Well, we've been doing some investigating and so far there have been 7 animals poisoned in our area - all around the same time. Do NOT tell me this is accidental. We have lived here for 6 yrs. as most of the others - and never any problem. I know that a lot of you think "well, its irresponsible to let your animals run" but our pets ran in a restricted area and only at certain times. It's not like they were let loose 24/7. We're talking about running on our own property and next door neighbors (with permission) maybe 20 min. at a time. Believe me, our dog was a spoiled mutt and wanted in the house almost every min. I was so relieved and happy when we moved to this area that we wouldn't need to have our dog "chained up in a concrete backyard" like in So. Cal. but I guess we aren't out far enough. Disappointing, but I guess we're still too near urban violence against pets. We still miss our little Jackie Blue Eyes so much.

[BGW]

It is still highly possible that ignorance is/was the original cause. When the foxes, coyotes, dogs and cats started dropping like flies in my neighborhood a couple of years ago...it turned out someone had used poison to kill the gophers in their yard. Yes, this someone had just moved here from some California big city and thought they knew what they were doing as far as killing gophers and voles etc. went. My mom lost a cat during this time. It wasn't a pretty sight, nor fun to watch. If the animals come in contact with a dead poisoned critter, as in eat it, the pet will then become a dead poisoned critter.
Sadly, it happens all too often. Just ask your vet.
There may be an evil pet killer among your neighbors, and if you truly believe there is then criminal charges need to be filed or an investigation to get moving on.

[Californee Girl]

Im sorry for your loss Summer. I lost a dog in a similar fashion a few years back (Im thinking in the same area too), and Im only just beginning to feel that I could replace her with a new puppy.

Jakob, not to start a war here, but are you saying that you wont spank your kids, but you will electrocute your dog??? http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/tongue.gif

[John @ 3300ft.]

Originally posted by Summer:
No, my dog was poisoned - was at the Vet's when she died. Vet said it was poison. Another dog and cat also died about the same time and they lived in this immediate area. Now whether it was intentional or accidental we'll never know...
Did they find out what the poison was exactly?
It would help finding out what/who is responsible. A dog might eat a poisonous mushroom or plant, but I doubt a cat would.

[Summer]

Did they find out what the poison was exactly?
It would help finding out what/who is responsible. A dog might eat a poisonous mushroom or plant, but I doubt a cat would.
Trying to find out John. I thought maybe a mushroom - saw a real exotic one - white with orangish head. Vet thinks anti-freeze. Two of the neighbors suspect a certain someone. How in the world can you ever find out? 7 animals is pretty weird. Just going to move on now and sometime in the distant future when I get another "baby" it will be confined real close to home - which was the core of this thread. As someone posted - confinement is for the benefit of owner, pet and neighbors.

[jjcheyenne]

I agree that dogs should be confined to a fenced yard. In North Fork, along road 200 there is one house that lets it's 2 dogs run free. I see them every morning. I can't count the times that I have come around that curve and almost hit one of them. That would kill me if that ever happened. A few months ago, I was coming home from work in the morning and I saw a big cammotion on the side of the road. As I got closer I saw one of the dogs had been hit. He was still alive and in pain. The person who hit the dog was out with the dog and other people were around also. Then a sheriff pulled up. That dog lived because again, he is running loose along with the other dog. Didn't the owners learn anything after their pet was injured? If you don't worry about your pet getting hit, at least worry about the poor person that accidently hit your pet. That is something a driver will never forget. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/cry.gif

[bunny]

Michelle,
If you take the bite victim to a Dr. when it happens they report it by law. The Animal Control and Sherrif departments have more respect for Dr's (unfortunatly). I hope it does not happen again. http://oakhurstonline.com/icon/no.gif