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Dodgergirl
Mar 10, 2008, 12:30 PM
It's still going on...

5 US soldiers killed in Baghdad

BAGHDAD (AP) A suicide bomber killed five American soldiers on a foot patrol Monday after detonating his explosives vest in central Baghdad, the U.S. military said, the deadliest attack on U.S. forces in Iraq in more than a month.

Four of the soldiers died at the scene and the fifth died later from wounds, the military said in a statement. The blast also wounded three U.S. soldiers and an Iraqi interpreter, the military said.

Military spokesman Maj. Mark Cheadle said that "it was reported to us as a suicide bomber."

An Iraqi police officer at the scene, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media, said two civilians also were killed and another eight wounded in the attack.

It was the deadliest attack since Jan. 28, when five U.S. soldiers were killed in a roadside bomb in the northern city of Mosul.

Monday's deaths brought the number to 3,979 members of the U.S. military who have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Meanwhile, a female suicide bomber on Monday killed the head of a local group of Sunni fighters northeast of Baghdad who had turned against al-Qaida insurgents, the leader's brother and a provincial police official said.

Sheik Thaeir Ghadhban al-Karkhi, his 5-year-old niece, a 24-year cousin and a security guard were killed in the blast in Diyala province, where violence has persisted despite drops in other parts of Iraq.

Duraid Mahmoud, the sheik's brother, told The Associated Press he witnessed the attack inside his brother's home. A provincial police official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to release the information, confirmed the attack.

The woman, wearing an explosives belt, entered al-Karkhi's home in the predominantly Sunni town of Kanaan, 13 miles east of Baqouba.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility. But al-Qaida in Iraq has been targeting fellow Sunni Arabs who have taken up arms against the militants and joined the so-called awakening councils like the one al-Karkhi led.

The councils are made up of U.S.-backed former insurgents who have risen up against al-Qaida's brutality and strict Islamic codes of conduct it was trying to impose on local populations.

The U.S. military said it was looking into the incident but did not immediately have any details.

full article: http://dwb.fresnobee.com/24hour/front/story/3834122p-13427947c.html




List of coalition deaths:

As of Sunday, March 9, 2008, at least 3,974 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes eight military civilians. At least 3,237 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.

The AP count is the same as the Defense Department's tally, last updated Friday at 10 a.m. EST.

The British military has reported 175 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 21; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, seven; El Salvador, five; Slovakia, four; Latvia, three; Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, Romania, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, South Korea, one death each.

Since the start of U.S. military operations in Iraq, 29,320 U.S. service members have been wounded in hostile action, according to the Defense Department's weekly tally.

This list will be updated as information becomes available from the Associated Press.

http://dwb.fresnobee.com/24hour/front/story/3834122p-12763433c.html

mary oleary
Mar 10, 2008, 03:28 PM
Why do these suicide bombers keep doing it? What will make them stop?



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Yosemite Joy
Mar 10, 2008, 04:28 PM
Why do these suicide bombers keep doing it? What will make them stop?

For the same reason we are at war, God. Remember? Come on, they do it for religion. Read.

mary oleary
Mar 11, 2008, 08:16 AM
wow- YJ...Are your hormones making you grumpy?

Lots of people in this world - in fact most- believe in God, yet they don't blow them selves up in a crowd...are you suggesting that all muslims are possible suicide bombers?

From the READING I HAVE done...often these bombers are paid- and they seem to be doing it to take care of thier families in thier absence while also expecting to be glorified in memorium...BUT- Still the majority of muslims are not suicide bombers... so ...
It is especially curious that women are doing it...

I wonder what makes the ones do it- and what could make them stop...It must be very difficult to strategize against such tactics.

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only1alphafemale
Mar 11, 2008, 10:22 AM
For the same reason we are at war, God. Remember? Come on, they do it for religion. Read.

and for psychological warfare. The added "mental" attack that such human bombs create along with physical damage to the enemy.

Yosemite Joy
Mar 11, 2008, 06:37 PM
wow- YJ...Are your hormones making you grumpy?

Lots of people in this world - in fact most- believe in God, yet they don't blow them selves up in a crowd...are you suggesting that all muslims are possible suicide bombers?

From the READING I HAVE done...often these bombers are paid- and they seem to be doing it to take care of thier families in thier absence while also expecting to be glorified in memorium...BUT- Still the majority of muslims are not suicide bombers... so ...
It is especially curious that women are doing it...

I wonder what makes the ones do it- and what could make them stop...It must be very difficult to strategize against such tactics.



Well, you answered your own question, thanks for that. As for the rest of it..

The Koran wants it's followers to be martyrs, and whatever way you look at that, some are. It is the same type of thinking as kamikaze Japanese. It is taught to the suicide bombers from birth, just the same as it is taught to Christians, to follow this book, it is The Book. It is the same type of brainwashing. Just because some Muslims are taught to be suicide bombers for the virgins (which may be infact a mis-translation of the Koran, which is a sad irony) doesn't make them any different than the Christians down south who a few years back sold whipping sticks to beat their infants and children to follow the Bible's disciplinary actions.

Religion, God without them, the world would be a better place.

mary oleary
Mar 12, 2008, 09:39 AM
Most people are religious, most people don't do horrendous things. To broadbrush religion as the root of all evil is a bit ridiculous...

Most muslims are not potential suicide bombers- Do you agree?
Most christians don't buy sticks to whip thier children with- do you agree?

I've READ that-Not all suicide bombers are poor, or uneducated. Though they are obviously zealots for this skewed version of Islam, they are still a minority amongst thier peers. I do think that they are picked out for thier fervor and are pawns in a sense by thier military leaders.

The Kamakazee was a strategy of the japanese military, because they were unable to match our military strength with "conventional" methods. The kamakazzee did not attack civilians as far as I know.

I've READ that the terrorist agenda includes "fear" tactics as valuable methods of warfare for the same reason, they are under-gunned...it is a strategy to implement suicide bombers into civillian areas because "mental warfare" is an effective weapon.

You propose that they the terrorists do it for religion, I disagree- they use religion as an veil for power mongering. Our world history is replete with wars and horrendous acts- regardless of the religion of the peoples, or lack of religion-such as communism. It is ignorant to cast all blame on "the Book" as the source of mankinds savage behaviors.

So my question, which I did not answer myself, is: how can this strategy be battled effectively- what can make them stop? How can this weapon be rendered ineffective?

only1alphafemale
Mar 12, 2008, 11:49 AM
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So my question, which I did not answer myself, is: how can this strategy be battled effectively- what can make them stop? How can this weapon be rendered ineffective?[/QUOTE]

My answer to this is you cant. A weapon is only a weapon as long as it holds a power to inflict and do harm or create fear. If you "remove" the power from the weapon, you have NO weapon. Since we are "humans" with a higher level of intelligence and emotions....we can and do fall "prey" to mental abuse/warfare. Thats what makes it such a potent and long lastingly effective weapon.

Just wanted to mention here, that there has even upon occassion beenn a case of where NOT all suicide bombers were believed to have had all of the "facts" regarding their missions....simply they didnt know they were giving up their life in their task.... through mental incapicity etc. :( Just plain WRONG ! But "all is fair in love and war?" ~ yea, right ! :mad:

Yosemite Joy
Mar 12, 2008, 04:13 PM
Most people are religious, most people don't do horrendous things. To broadbrush religion as the root of all evil is a bit ridiculous...

Most muslims are not potential suicide bombers- Do you agree?
Most christians don't buy sticks to whip thier children with- do you agree?

I've READ that-Not all suicide bombers are poor, or uneducated. Though they are obviously zealots for this skewed version of Islam, they are still a minority amongst thier peers. I do think that they are picked out for thier fervor and are pawns in a sense by thier military leaders.

The Kamakazee was a strategy of the japanese military, because they were unable to match our military strength with "conventional" methods. The kamakazzee did not attack civilians as far as I know.

I've READ that the terrorist agenda includes "fear" tactics as valuable methods of warfare for the same reason, they are under-gunned...it is a strategy to implement suicide bombers into civillian areas because "mental warfare" is an effective weapon.

You propose that they the terrorists do it for religion, I disagree- they use religion as an veil for power mongering. Our world history is replete with wars and horrendous acts- regardless of the religion of the peoples, or lack of religion-such as communism. It is ignorant to cast all blame on "the Book" as the source of mankinds savage behaviors.

So my question, which I did not answer myself, is: how can this strategy be battled effectively- what can make them stop? How can this weapon be rendered ineffective?

What does majority of anything have to do with the basic point here? Religion is a powerful weapon, especially when used as a means to blow oneself up. These are zealots, sure, I never claimed they weren't. Just as the people who want the separation of church and state to be completely irradicted on [erroneous] grounds that our country was based on Christianity are zealots.

Religion can not be rendered ineffective, ever. Most people need religion and God, without them they feel lost or empty. I never claimed that only people who are poor, uneducated are the ones blowing themselves up. Look at the WTC airplane terrorists. They were all educated, upstanding citizens of their mother countries.

Many, many religious people are independently wealthy, educated. That doesn't mean that they are immune to being brainwashed by a book (whatever book) or a person who claims to be closer to God.

To say that religious wars/crusades have nothing on communism is laughable. I can recommend some books if need be.