WANTED: Homeopathic/Naturopathic remedies for getting kidneys to function again!!!

[Dr_Schmidt]

When (last year March) I was surgically fitted with a device within my chest via which I was to receive "dialysis or die" (per the doctors) I began getting dialysis and have been getting this thing ever since 3 days per week, BUT, I absolutely do not believe what the Medical Community has told me that it was "GET DIALYSIS OR DIE" --- what I rather believe is that the Creator has put the kidneys into the human body for a reason and that when the kidneys quit working, if the proper homeopathic or naturopathic remedies are administered --- the kidneys can function again.

Currently, I am taking remedies from 2 places, one in the greater Los Angeles area and the other from back East, both of which are excellent series of remedies, but, thus far, my kidneys are not yet functioning to full capacity yet. So, what I would appreciate knowing of the forum members is if anyone knows of any sort of remedies which have impacts on failed kidneys which make them work again - not necessarily to full workabilities, but to adequate so that I am able to terminate this 3 day per week dialysis thing if they would PLEASE let me know, I would forever be appreciative.

If you who read this know of any such remedies, let me know either by responding to this thread or directly to me via my e-mail address.

Thanks and may the Lord RICHLY bless all those who affirmatively respond as well as those who do not.

[kellieflan]

Dear Dr. Schmidt,

Have you stopped by to see Marjina at Nature's Nutrients? She has a wonderful store there and has infinite knowledge... maybe Marjina can offer you some remedies, in fact, I bet she can.

The store is located in the little shopping center between Hi Tec shoes and the gas station. The phone number is 683-2293.

Be well!
Kellie

[dancingqueen]

Have you spoken with Debbie at Naturaly Yours vitamin store in Coarsegold? I don't know what we would do without her, she knows so much. It is a family owned business, if her husband or son are working they will let you know when she will be in the store. If I have important questions for her I alway call and ask when she will be there. Four years ago my husband had a total hip replacement and the drugs they gave him made him so sick, I feel as if Debbie saved his life. She has also helped me so much with high blood pressure. She is very easy to talk to, she does not talk AT you, she explains things so that you really understand what is going on. At one point when I was in tears she said to me, well, you know the medication they are giving your husband is rat poisen. AND SHE WAS RIGHT!Wonderful, wonderful person.

[Dr_Schmidt]

I cannot imagine that virtually all of those who have viewed my thread do not have some sort of a comment when during the time when I posted on other threads things most people here did not approve of virtually EVERYONE had something to say, so, how about it you 129 viewers, share your thoughts. It might well be YOU who has the remedy for which I am seeking, but, unless you voice your opinion, no one will ever know.

[jakobscalpel]

I cannot imagine that virtually all of those who have viewed my thread do not have some sort of a comment

Sure. Homeopathic remedies are modern snake-oil and will only give you a short-term placebo boost while draining your wallet and potentially diverting your attention from valid treatments. I'd rather drill a hole in my head (of course, some people do that too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation)

[David_V]

I cannot imagine that virtually all of those who have viewed my thread do not have some sort of a comment....
I would comment but people seem to get upset when I say that if it is homeopathic it does not work.:grin:

[dancingqueen]

Some of the best doctors I have ever been to perscribed homeopathic remedies. Homeopathic and Naturopatic remedies need to be discussed with your medical doctor, ofcourse, but often it takes a combination of remedies.

[jakobscalpel]

but often it takes a combination of remedies.

Sort of a combination of remedies that work alongside those that don't? I can support that.

[Yosemite Joy]

You can try some faith healing. That has a Darwinian way of working.

[Mysteefied]

I cannot imagine that virtually all of those who have viewed my thread do not have some sort of a comment when during the time when I posted on other threads things most people here did not approve of virtually EVERYONE had something to say, so, how about it you 129 viewers, share your thoughts. It might well be YOU who has the remedy for which I am seeking, but, unless you voice your opinion, no one will ever know.

Hi Dr_Schmidt,

I really don't have any ideas of what would help you, but I keep checking back because recently I had lots of blood & Urine tests (for life insurance) and 4 times the tests came back pointing to kidney disease, I know nothing about it, but thought someone might respond with something that might help me as well.

That's my reason for not posting before this. :-)

[yosemitewriter]

Here's something that might help. I was getting some unfavorable test results with high BUN and creatinine readings, which may be what you got. But when I was in the hospital (for another unrelated reason), they were constantly filling my glass with ice water and I was drinking a lot. And Bingo!!! All those test results went back to normal. So rather than indicating I had any kidney disease, it was more of an indication that I wasn't drinking enough water. So now I try to remember to drink a lot more water as well as cherry and pomegranate juice which are also full of health benefits. And I am almost a total vegetarian, since proteins will stress your kidneys and you don't want that if you have concerns. I've been making a lot of good salads, and eating fruits, veggies, nuts and seeds. And since animal protein is one of the main causes of cancer, I feel like I'm doing the right thing.
And before you meat eaters write me, please read "The China Study" by Colin Campbell where he documents in great details that meat and milk are two of the main cancer causing things we do to our bodies. But like Big Pharma, the dairy and meat lobbies are very powerful and they want you to consume more of that stuff. And if you speak out against them, they will go after you like they did with Oprah and her comment on meat a few years ago.





I really don't have any ideas of what would help you, but I keep checking back because recently I had lots of blood & Urine tests (for life insurance) and 4 times the tests came back pointing to kidney disease, I know nothing about it, but thought someone might respond with something that might help me as well.

[dancingqueen]

I was just wondering if the DR. did consult with the owners of the vitamin store in Oakhurst and Coarsegold.

[Mysteefied]

Thank you for the advice. I do actually drink tons of water, it's my favorite drink, I start as soon as I wake up in the morning, I don't even drink coffee. probably once or twice a week I'll have diet soda. other than that, I drink green tea too.
but my tests mostly show TONS of protein in my urine, the doctor originally thought it was coming from one of my meds, so we stopped that med altogether, but months later, still tons of protein, so I will be making another apt. with her soon.

As far as meat goes, I do eat it, but not lots, like once a week I'll have steak or something like that, other than that, I do cook a lot of veggetarian meals, because two of my three daughters is strict vegetarian, so I try to make it so we can all eat together.

[beautiful_mess38]

I cannot imagine that virtually all of those who have viewed my thread do not have some sort of a comment when during the time when I posted on other threads things most people here did not approve of virtually EVERYONE had something to say, so, how about it you 129 viewers, share your thoughts. It might well be YOU who has the remedy for which I am seeking, but, unless you voice your opinion, no one will ever know.

have you tried to call Gloria Garland in Oakhurst? She has an office on rd 426 next to the dentist office.683-4434

She's an acupuncturist and herbalist. She also accepts most insurance.

[MtnBreeze]

Myst..you might try eating more raw foods. Nuts, seeds, uncooked veggies...also you might try a detox diet for a few days..most work best if done for a week at least but 3 days is good too. If you can cut out dairy and only eat meats (any meats..chicken, turkey, red meat) that is organic if you can. Also try corn silk tea....Margina has that at her store...Nature's Nutrients.
Just some suggestions but the raw gives us the nutrients AND enzymes our bodies need to function right...I am striving for 80 % raw...I don't always make it but man I sure have felt better.

[dancingqueen]

I am so happy but not surprised that so many of you are taking charge of your own health and nuitrition. We moved here 5 years ago from Monterey were we lived for 30 years. Monterey has a big shortage of family practicioners. The established doctors are taking no new patients and the new doctors come to town, stay for 3 or 4 years and move to Salinas. That is why there is a Doctors On Duty on every corner. I had a terrible time finding a doctor that believed that the patient knows their own body. They just want to grab their pads and write out a script for medication. My husband and my mother go to one medical group in Oakhurst and I go to the other. All of the doctors we have seen listen to our concerns and I know for a fact that they not only advise their patients to shop at the nutrition stores in Oakhust and Coarsegold, but they go there them selves. In fact the owners know the local doctors so well that when I go in I remind them of which doctor I go to because they know what the doctors like their patients to take. My husband had a total hip replacement a little over 2 weeks ago in Fresno. During his pre-op appt. his surgeon gave him a list of 8 items he needed to get before surgery. Three of them were prescriptions and five were from the nutrition store of our choice. I think more and more doctors are revisiting homeopathic and naturopatic remedies and realizing our bodies do not need to be full drugs.

[Kim]

I've taken care of plenty of patients who have taken homeopathic remedies along with their prescribed medicines, and as long as we know about it and you know the risks and benefits and interactions there's usually not a problem between medical providers and patients. The two can go together but it takes work.
As far as not believing the "dialysis or die" bit....I've also taken care of plenty of patients who didn't believe it either but didn't have to take care of them for very long.

[David_V]

I've taken care of plenty of patients who have taken homeopathic remedies along with their prescribed medicines, and as long as we know about it and you know the risks and benefits and interactions there's usually not a problem between medical providers and patients. The two can go together but it takes work.
How can there be an interaction between a real drug and a concoction that contains nothing but water or alcohol?

As far as not believing the "dialysis or die" bit....I've also taken care of plenty of patients who didn't believe it either but didn't have to take care of them for very long.
I've known a few people that believed vitamins and certain foods would cure their cancer. I didn't know them much longer.:(

[Kim]

Not all homeopathics are merely water and alcohol...herbal remedies were the ones I mostly had in mind when I wrote that. St John's wart, echinacea, etc. Admittedly the people I see are sick enough to be in the hospital, but the ones who bet on home remedies instead of dialysis end up like the pedestrian vs. auto folks....the auto always wins.

[Edana]

Hi Doc. Aside from prayer, all I can offer is that you contact the people at The Herbal Healer Academy (http://www.herbalhealer.com/). They've been a huge source of help and healing for me in times of need.

[yosemitewriter]

David....
I have met and currently know people who were saved from "terminal" cancer by diet and detox. One person I know was cured 24 years ago and is healthy to this day. I guess you just met the wrong people. I sent one of my co-workers to the Gerson Institute (www.gerson.org) because she had cancer. They put her on a restricted diet and detoxed all the poisons out of her body, and ten years later she is totally healthy. That is the way I would go if I ever got cancer. But knowing what CURES cancer should also prevent you from getting it in the first place. It is so much easier to PREVENT a disease than to try and cure it once you have it. Diet is a MAJOR factor. It makes me sick when I see teenagers die from cancer because of their fast food diet and loads of sugar from soft drinks. This is all preventable, but the advertising lobbies have this crap in your face every time you turn on the TV.




I've known a few people that believed vitamins and certain foods would cure their cancer. I didn't know them much longer.:(

[jakobscalpel]

Not all homeopathics are merely water and alcohol...herbal remedies were the ones I mostly had in mind when I wrote that. St John's wart, echinacea, etc. Admittedly the people I see are sick enough to be in the hospital, but the ones who bet on home remedies instead of dialysis end up like the pedestrian vs. auto folks....the auto always wins.

I always thought homeopathy referred to the process of curing a disease with incredibly diluted preparations of ingredients that triggered symptoms similar to the disease. This approach counts for the "memory" of water to help cure the affliction. This is what I consider to be snake-oil.

If the definition of homeopathy that is being used refers to herbal preparations where the active ingredient actually remains in the dosage then I'm not 100% opposed to the idea.

[jakobscalpel]

David....
I have met and currently know people who were saved from "terminal" cancer by diet and detox.

I've never read of anyone being cured by cancer through diet and detox alone, at least from a reputable source. I've seen claims like this made from many disreputable sources. The law of averages and the market economy dictate the Gerson process is nonsense. There is a slim chance it is valid. Of course, it makes perfect sense to eat raw and well for a variety of other reasons, although I think I'll pass on their suggested coffee enemas.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/OTA/ota03.html

[dancingqueen]

When I was talking about homeopathy remedies I was talking about supplements such as Saw Palmetto Extract, my husband's doctor told him ALL men should be taking 320 mgs a day.

[monkey]

What does Saw Palmeto Extract do for men?

[Ironhorse]

Saw palmetto extract
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Saw palmetto extract is an extract of the fruit of Serenoa repens. It is rich in fatty acids and phytosterols, and has shown promise in treating benign prostatic hyperplasia[1].

Native Americans used the fruit for food, but also in the treatment of a variety of urinary and reproductive system problems. The Mayans drank it as a tonic, and the Seminoles used the berries as an expectorant and antiseptic.[2] The European colonists learned of the use of saw palmetto. It was used as a crude extract for at least 200 years for various conditions including asthenia (weakness), recovery from major illness, and urogenital problems. For instance, the Eclectic medicine physician H. W. Felter wrote of it, "Saw palmetto is a nerve sedative, expectorant, and a nutritive tonic, acting kindly upon the digestive tract...Its most direct action appears to be upon the reproductive organs when undergoing waste of tissue..."[3]

The Eclectics knew saw palmetto as more than a prostate herb. King's American Dispensatory, in 1898 claims:

It is also an expectorant, and controls irritation of mucous tissues. It has proved useful in irritative cough, chronic bronchial coughs, whooping-cough, laryngitis, acute and chronic, acute catarrh, asthma, tubercular laryngitis, and in the cough of phthisis pulmonalis. Upon the digestive organs it acts kindly, improving the appetite, digestion, and assimilation. However, its most pronounced effects appear to be those exerted upon the urino-genital tracts of both male and female, and upon all the organs concerned in reproduction. It is said to enlarge wasted organs, as the breasts, ovaries, and testicles, while the paradoxical claim is also made that it reduces hypertrophy of the prostate. Possibly this may be explained by claiming that it tends toward the production of a normal condition, reducing parts when unhealthily enlarged, and increasing them when atrophied.[4]

In modern times, much research has been done on extract made from the fruits, which are highly enriched with fatty acids and phytosterols. This research has been the subject of a thorough meta-analysis published in the Journal of the American Medical Association and has been shown to be effective for the treatment of men with symptomatic benign prostatic hyperplasia (enlargement of the prostate) compared to placebo and the two major categories of drugs used for men with this condition.[1] There are also small, positive clinical trials published on the use of saw palmetto extracts topically and internally for male-pattern baldness[citation needed].

In 2005, a long-term, placebo-controlled trial showed that a combination of saw palmetto fruit and nettle root extracts were effective in treating urinary tract symptoms in older men.[5] However, in February 2006, a large, blinded placebo-controlled study published in the New England Journal of Medicine showed no reduction of symptoms from enlarged prostate by taking saw palmetto, as compared to placebo.[6] Designers of the latest study questioned whether the differently-flavored placebos in previous studies were adequately blinded. Critics of the latest study questioned whether a sufficient dosage of active ingredients was given.[7] The authors of the 2006 study stated in their report: "The level of active ingredient in the extract may not have been sufficient to produce a measurable effect. We cannot completely address this possibility, because the active ingredient in saw palmetto, if one exists, is not known. However, prior in vitro studies suggest that the active ingredient is contained within the fatty-acid fraction."

An earlier single case study on saw palmetto concluded that searching for information on a herbal medicine using MEDLINE alone was insufficient, and expanded their search to "alternative" databases, including AGRICOLA, EMBASE, IBIS, and Cochrane, plus a manual search of unindexed herbal journals.[8]

Other research has shown that the herb works by multiple mechanisms, including inhibiting 5-alpha-reductase, interfering with dihydrotestosterone binding to the androgen receptor, by relaxing smooth muscle tissue similarly to alpha antagonist drugs, and possibly by acting as a phytoestrogen.[9][10]

Because the fruit is the part used and because a prolific quantity is produced by an adult saw palmetto plant, this herbal medicine is considered ecologically sustainable.

Though in vitro studies suggest saw palmetto has properties that might make it useful against prostate cancer cells or to reduce prostatitis, clinical trials are lacking.

David Winston RH (AHG) describes a variety of conditions where saw palmetto extract is useful for men and women, using both research and ethnobotanical uses. [11]


[edit] Contraindications and side effects
Though men taking saw palmetto may develop mild nausea, reduced libido, or erectile dysfunction, the rate of such problems is clinically and statistically far less common than in men taking drugs to treat BPH symptoms, based on the JAMA meta-analysis cited above. There are no known drug interactions. It should generally be avoided in pregnancy and lactation and in small children due to lack of experience and knowledge in these populations and because of the purely theoretical risk of hormonal interference.

It has not been proven that Saw palmetto causes a reduction of libido or erectile dysfunction. In fact saw Palmetto is used also as a light aphrodisiac; Saw palmetto reduces the DHT in the blood in a different way than Finasteride which could cause reduced libido. It is common to find in herbal drugs as a cure for sexual problems, such as reduced libido or erectile disfunction, a small dose of saw palmetto extract associated with ginseng or other plants that contain L-arginine (Emanuel Gargiulo)

While saw palmetto is generally considered safe, one of its primary active ingredients, beta-sitosterol, is chemically similar to cholesterol. High levels of sitosterol concentrations in blood have been correlated with increased severity of heart disease in men who have previously suffered from heart attacks.[12]

As with other nutrients and herbs, various people may have different responses based on their chemical and biological make up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saw_palmetto_extract

[monkey]

Thanks!!!!

[yosemitewriter]

It is totally impossible for me to post an intelligent response to your uninformed posting. I have been connected with the Gerson Institute for over 20 years and have seen and met these cured people, and over the years have read of many more cures, not only in the Gerson journals, but from the cured patients themselves.
What is this about the law of averages and the market economy??? What does that have to do with whether or not a treament is effective??? That's the kind of response I would expect from George Bush at a White House press conference.
And the coffee enemas are very helpful in pain control as well as activating the liver to flush toxins out of the body. Because when the cancer starts to break down, it needs to exit the body so your body can re-heal itself.
Please don't be offended by my comment to you about being oblivious to the facts and history. I get the same kind of response from mainstream doctors who are so set in their ways that all they know is chemo, radiation, and surgery. That is why I have a mistrust for people in the medical profession. There is little profit margin for holistic cures and so they are swept under the carpet. But with more and more people taking responsibility for their own health, they want to know more about holistic treatments...especially when the AMA approved treatments don't work.
By the way, Max Gerson started curing people of cancer in the 1920's and the system has been improved over the years. Even Prince Charles spoke in favor of the Gerson treatment. I would suggest you get the Gerson book "50 Case Histories" and read about all the cures WITH medical documentation. You will find it very interesting...maybe life saving for you some day......



I've never read of anyone being cured by cancer through diet and detox alone, at least from a reputable source. I've seen claims like this made from many disreputable sources. The law of averages and the market economy dictate the Gerson process is nonsense. There is a slim chance it is valid. Of course, it makes perfect sense to eat raw and well for a variety of other reasons, although I think I'll pass on their suggested coffee enemas.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/OTA/ota03.html

[David_V]

Not all homeopathics are merely water and alcohol..
Then they are not truly homeopathic.

.herbal remedies were the ones I mostly had in mind when I wrote that. St John's wart, echinacea, etc.
Those additives can cause problems.

Admittedly the people I see are sick enough to be in the hospital, but the ones who bet on home remedies instead of dialysis end up like the pedestrian vs. auto folks....the auto always wins.
That's why I don't like CAM, it can take a person AWAY from the medical attention they need. One of those people I mentioned that died of cancer had a curable form of prostate cancer. Instead of taking the course of action real doctors told him to take, he went "herbal"..... and died because of it.

[David_V]

David....
I have met and currently know people who were saved from "terminal" cancer by diet and detox. One person I know was cured 24 years ago and is healthy to this day.
Cancers can go into remission all by themselves. It happens.

I guess you just met the wrong people....
I don't think so.

[David_V]

I always thought homeopathy referred to the process of curing a disease with incredibly diluted preparations of ingredients that triggered symptoms similar to the disease. This approach counts for the "memory" of water to help cure the affliction. This is what I consider to be snake-oil.
Exactly. Water has no such "memory." Sometimes they use alcohol, same thing though; no memory.

If the definition of homeopathy that is being used refers to herbal preparations where the active ingredient actually remains in the dosage then I'm not 100% opposed to the idea.
I'm mostly opposed to that. Many of these herbs and other things have been proven to not work. Many do work but are not taken properly or the amount of the herb contained in the preparation is not enough to work properly. Often, with no controls what so ever for quality control, the claimed herb is not even in the preparation.

[yosemitewriter]

I'm assusming that if a cancer goes into remission, which happens quite often, that it is the body's immune system fighting it off and destroying the cancer cells. That's why an immune system is so very important. If you have a top notch immune system, you shouldn't get cancer in the first place. But if you get cancer, then special care should be paid to the immune system to make sure it is functioning at peak efficiency. A lot of these remissions last for a while, then the cancer returns. We've all seen that...even in our own town. So a remission is nature's way of saying "you've got a second chance"...


[QUOTE=David_V;61706]Cancers can go into remission all by themselves. It happens.

[David_V]

When I was talking about homeopathy remedies I was talking about supplements such as Saw Palmetto Extract, my husband's doctor told him ALL men should be taking 320 mgs a day.
That's not homeopathy. A homeopathic preparation would first start with something that would make the prostate, for example, swell up. That's the first rule of homeopathy - like cures like. Then they take that substance and dilute in half, then "pack" it by banging it on the table, or something like that. Then they dilute that in half, and pack it again. Do that about 100 times, more if you want it stronger, and you have a homeopathic preparation. There will not be one molecule of the original substance left in that preparation. It's like taking an eyedropper and putting one tiny drop of heroine into a swimming pool and expecting it to keep you awake.

A homeopathic preparation would have to break all the known laws of physics to work.

As for herbal medicines, some work, some don't. Saw Palmetto has been shown to help in some men but it's not a panacea for all prostate problems.

[dancingqueen]

Monkey, several years ago my husbands doctor said to him "you look tired" my husband said, I am up all night peeing. That is when his doctor told him about the Saw Palmetto and told him that ALL men should be taking it. Within about 2 days it started working and here we go...........sleeping the night away.

[David_V]

I'm assusming that if a cancer goes into remission, which happens quite often, that it is the body's immune system fighting it off and destroying the cancer cells. That's why an immune system is so very important. If you have a top notch immune system, you shouldn't get cancer in the first place.
That is not a true statement.

But if you get cancer, then special care should be paid to the immune system to make sure it is functioning at peak efficiency. A lot of these remissions last for a while, then the cancer returns. We've all seen that...even in our own town. So a remission is nature's way of saying "you've got a second chance"...
And when I get cancer I will go to a doctor and get it taken care of. I'll not be dying like others that go the "herbal" or "detox" route.

[jakobscalpel]

It is totally impossible for me to post an intelligent response to your uninformed posting.

This is obvious, just not in the way you intended. I expected your response. In fact, I should have pre-written it for you. I believe I saw the same things in the testimonials of various Gerson process websites. Believe what you want and more power to you if it actually works. I don't deny there is a slim possibility. Not everything is known on this earth.

As to the market economy, if has everything to do with disapproving this process. If you don't understand why then there is nothing more to say.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Sure. Homeopathic remedies are modern snake-oil and will only give you a short-term placebo boost while draining your wallet and potentially diverting your attention from valid treatments. I'd rather drill a hole in my head (of course, some people do that too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation)

WHAT do you call "valid treatments"?

[Dr_Schmidt]

Hi Dr_Schmidt,

I really don't have any ideas of what would help you, but I keep checking back because recently I had lots of blood & Urine tests (for life insurance) and 4 times the tests came back pointing to kidney disease, I know nothing about it, but thought someone might respond with something that might help me as well.

That's my reason for not posting before this. :-)

That is EXACTLY why I have begun this thread --- I realized most of the comments would be anti; however, when you want to have information, you cannot tell anyone to shutup as THAT PERSON may well be THE person having the precise information for which you seek. So even though most of the responders have been contrary to what I am hoping for, I welcome all comments from anyone, period.

It is ESSENTIAL to keep checking back, so, please do so, and, if you wish, you may PM me as well.

[Dr_Schmidt]

How can there be an interaction between a real drug and a concoction that contains nothing but water or alcohol?


I've known a few people that believed vitamins and certain foods would cure their cancer. I didn't know them much longer.:(

When you say "water oer alcohol" are you referring to "tinctures"? These are only a derivative of homeopathic remedies and not by a long shot the greater ones.

[Dr_Schmidt]

I've taken care of plenty of patients who have taken homeopathic remedies along with their prescribed medicines, and as long as we know about it and you know the risks and benefits and interactions there's usually not a problem between medical providers and patients. The two can go together but it takes work.
As far as not believing the "dialysis or die" bit....I've also taken care of plenty of patients who didn't believe it either but didn't have to take care of them for very long.

Since you "didn't have to take care of them for very long" did they get cured after using homeopathic remedies? I can see why you didn't have to take care of them for very long them. Homepathic remedies are far more powerful when done properly than chemical remedies are --- there are cultures having used natural remedies for over 5,000 years, so, if they were so bad, that would never have evolved at all.

[David_V]

When you say "water oer alcohol" are you referring to "tinctures"? These are only a derivative of homeopathic remedies and not by a long shot the greater ones.
No. I am referring to the medium the original substance is diluted in.

[David_V]

Since you "didn't have to take care of them for very long" did they get cured after using homeopathic remedies? I can see why you didn't have to take care of them for very long them.
yes, they died,

Homepathic remedies are far more powerful when done properly than chemical remedies are --
Homeopathic "remedies" are not any more powerful than water. That's essentially what they are - water.

- there are cultures having used natural remedies for over 5,000 years, so, if they were so bad, that would never have evolved at all.
They were not using anything "homeopathic." Samuel Hahnemann made up homeopathy in the early 1800's. In the 200 years between then and now not one scientific trial has shown homeopathy to be effective above the placebo effect.

You can learn more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy).

From that site:
Claims to the efficacy of homeopathic treatment beyond the placebo effect are unsupported by the collective weight of scientific and clinical evidence. Common homeopathic preparations are often indistinguishable from the pure diluent because the purported medicinal compound is diluted beyond the point where there is any likelihood that molecules from the original solution are present in the final product; the claim that these treatments still have any pharmacological effect is thus scientifically implausible and violates fundamental principles of science, including the law of mass action.

[Red Mule]

I'm generally with Jacob and David_V on this one.

homeopathic cure are generally: mix 1 part per billion of some really nasty compound with water. At least, mixed that diluted, it won't do much harm. That's not to say the mainstream medical establishment is always on the right trach either.

I shudder to think of the dollars lost and hopes shattered when my mother chased down every possible cure for my stepfather's cancer. Mainstream or Homeopathic, nothing helped. What I find interesting is that proponents of certain cures cite a few cases where someone got better but ignore the thousands (or millions?) where the "cure" did abosolutely nothing.

I'm for cleaning up your diet, getting exercise, laugh a lot, practive positive feedback (call it prayer or meditation - your choice) and living as healthy as possible. Try to avoid all the toxins in the environment you can. Although, it's kind of hard to avoid the lead still floating around in the atmosphere from back when we added it to our gas. Maybe another hundred years and that will finally be gone.

Consult every source you can and educate yourself as much as possible. become your own "expert" and question everything. But, be very cautious before jumping on one bandwagon and excluding all others. If anyone really knew the "ONE TRUE ANSWER" that was right for everyone, we would cure cancer tomorrow.

[Kim]

Since you "didn't have to take care of them for very long" did they get cured after using homeopathic remedies? I can see why you didn't have to take care of them for very long them. Homepathic remedies are far more powerful when done properly than chemical remedies are --- there are cultures having used natural remedies for over 5,000 years, so, if they were so bad, that would never have evolved at all.

I didn't have to take care of them for very long because they did die. I just didn't want to put that so bluntly here, but their blood didn't get filtered and filled with toxins and they learned that going home and drinking lots of water didn't do the trick. Some of them returned to acute care for acute dialysis...some of them made the choice for hospice.

[Dr_Schmidt]

I've never read of anyone being cured by cancer through diet and detox alone, at least from a reputable source. I've seen claims like this made from many disreputable sources. The law of averages and the market economy dictate the Gerson process is nonsense. There is a slim chance it is valid. Of course, it makes perfect sense to eat raw and well for a variety of other reasons, although I think I'll pass on their suggested coffee enemas.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/OTA/ota03.html

Prior to - or anyone else - referring to anything as "nonsense" as you have referred to the Gerson people, how about you DIRECTLY communicating with them instead of merely reading about them from some other persons who also don't believe in them. The Gerson Institute is one of the very finest "natural healing" places in the U.S., so, how about contacting and communicating with them instead of belittling them.

[Dr_Schmidt]

No. I am referring to the medium the original substance is diluted in.

MOST homeopathic or naturopathic remedies are NOT processed as you have described. What you are describing are "tinctures" and tinctures is only one type of homeopathic remedy.

How about learning more about something prior to commenting wrong ideas about whatever, and, in this case homeopathism.

[Dr_Schmidt]

yes, they died,


Homeopathic "remedies" are not any more powerful than water. That's essentially what they are - water.


They were not using anything "homeopathic." Samuel Hahnemann made up homeopathy in the early 1800's. In the 200 years between then and now not one scientific trial has shown homeopathy to be effective above the placebo effect.

You can learn more here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy).

From that site:

"Homeopathic "remedies" are not any more powerful than water. That's essentially what they are - water." NO KIDDING!!!, then apples, oranges, banans, potatoes, beans, alfalfa, juniper, pomegranites, and so on and on and on are all "essentially.......water"? Wow!, have I learned something now, as, I didn't know apples were water at all.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Whether pro or con or whatever else, I wish to take a moment to express my sincere thanks to all of you and especially to the person who was totally anti-Gerson --- contrary to going along with that person, it was my mission and goal to "bring out" commentes from absolute anti-homeopathic persons to verify what I already am aware of.

Hopefully there will be additional comments.

[David_V]

MOST homeopathic or naturopathic remedies are NOT processed as you have described. What you are describing are "tinctures" and tinctures is only one type of homeopathic remedy.
If you want to learn more about homeopathy, go to the website I listed earlier. Actually, it doesn't matter how they are prepared; they don't work.

How about learning more about something prior to commenting wrong ideas about whatever, and, in this case homeopathism.
Whatever.rolleyes:

[David_V]

"Homeopathic "remedies" are not any more powerful than water. That's essentially what they are - water." NO KIDDING!!!, then apples, oranges, banans, potatoes, beans, alfalfa, juniper, pomegranites, and so on and on and on are all "essentially.......water"? Wow!, have I learned something now, as, I didn't know apples were water at all.
What a bizarre response. :rantguy:

[Red Mule]

I'm not so sure that going to the source is the best way to find the truth. That's like going to a politician and asking if everything he or she said is the truth. What do you think they would say? No, I'm lying?

I'm for looking for someone a little more impartial than that. If the impartial (or at least someone with nothing to gain) source has facts that can be checked and verified, that's even better! Maybe even the results of scientifically rigorous tests (you know... one of those things where they test over and over to make sure they get the same results every time) that others have also performed and gotten the same results.

Not... The guy that makes the stuff said his sister's cousin's 3rd ex-wife, whoe's name he can't remember right now tried the stuff and she got better.

[MtnBreeze]

That is not a true statement.


And when I get cancer I will go to a doctor and get it taken care of. I'll not be dying like others that go the "herbal" or "detox" route.

I would like to interject here that people who go the "traditional "treatment route also die. So to belittle people or the "cure" they choose does not seem appropriate. If you read about the traditional chemotherapy etc remedies ....many many die and are miserable from the treatments. Also, the term homeopathic has been interpreted by you from what source? I think of homeopathic as more of a natural substances approach as opposed to a chemical source...which btw...many pharmaceauticals are derived from or should I say based on natural remedies but are usually SYNTHETIC in nature....so they can be sold at the prices they command. What makes you think the studies done on chemo are any more "valid" than studies done on other treatment modes? Just some food for thought. Also a compromised immune system DOES make one more vulnerable to disease.
I am adding that I think we are really referring to a holistic approach (rather than homeopathic) when most of us use the term homeopathic. Some of the statements made are true of true homeopathic remedies.

[dancingqueen]

Dr. Schmitz, Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
In your original posting you sounded so genuine, almost desperate, pleading for an answer to your medical problem. "So, what I would appreciate knowing of the forum members is if anyone knows of any sort of remedies......" I felt so sorry for you and I responded quickly. This morning your posting read "Your mission and goal was to "bring out" comments from absolute anti-homeopathic persons...." And, I really thought you were looking for help, but, no, you were just stirring up controversy.

[David_V]

I would like to interject here that people who go the "traditional "treatment route also die.
No one has said otherwise.

So to belittle people or the "cure" they choose does not seem appropriate.
No one has belittle anyone. Most often it is the people in the "alternative" camp that belittle those that stick with evidentiary medicine.

If you read about the traditional chemotherapy etc remedies ....many many die and are miserable from the treatments.
And has a much higher survival rate, based on medicines proven to work, than alternatives.

Also, the term homeopathic has been interpreted by you from what source?
I "interpreted" nothing. I go by what the guy that made it up had to say.

I think of homeopathic as more of a natural substances approach as opposed to a chemical source...which btw...many pharmaceauticals are derived from or should I say based on natural remedies but are usually SYNTHETIC in nature....so they can be sold at the prices they command.
Yes, it always comes down to a dishonest pharmaceutical industry. Homeopathy is as I described earlier. If you want to know more, click on the link I provided earlier.

What makes you think the studies done on chemo are any more "valid" than studies done on other treatment modes?
Uh... they actually DID some studies. The "alternatives" are based on claims, not studies.

Just some food for thought. Also a compromised immune system DOES make one more vulnerable to disease.
No one has said otherwise. One can have the best immune system in the world and still get cancer.

I am adding that I think we are really referring to a holistic approach (rather than homeopathic) when most of us use the term homeopathic. Some of the statements made are true of true homeopathic remedies.
Many do confuse the terms. The problem is that the so called "holistic" approach most often includes homeopathic decoctions and other unproven modalities.

[David_V]

... This morning your posting read "Your mission and goal was to "bring out" comments from absolute anti-homeopathic persons...." And, I really thought you were looking for help, but, no, you were just stirring up controversy.
And he went about it in such a dishonest way. He's the first one on this forum to make my ignore list.

[Dodgergirl]

Whether pro or con or whatever else, I wish to take a moment to express my sincere thanks to all of you and especially to the person who was totally anti-Gerson --- contrary to going along with that person, it was my mission and goal to "bring out" commentes from absolute anti-homeopathic persons to verify what I already am aware of.

Hopefully there will be additional comments.

I don't know if this was intended as I am reading it, but I believe when it is someones plan to ["it was my mission and goal to "bring out" commentes from absolute anti-"](insert any word here), it is considered trolling (?) which is explicitly prohibited on these forums.
Maybe Dr, Schmidt should have used a better choice of words and possibly a poll to see where people stand on an issue, from there a pro/con discussion could evolve....

JMHO

[Ironhorse]

as evidenced from his past posts, he's not interested in pro/con discussions, nuff said. JMHO

[only1alphafemale]

:lightingzapA:I see it that way now too csciacca ~ :no: There are more than enough real problems and situations in our lives and in this world, from people who are seeking real answers and thoughts and impressions and feelings, and genuinely seek others peoples experiences and knowledge, and compassion's!! Who arent just looking to create dissensions or argue or perhaps even *thrive* on negativity or just choose not to get along and stir the pot.....:confused:

Dr Schmidt;
We are a forum of neighbors, who are friendly, helpful, giving and loving people, who try to help each other out, listen to each other and also have the ability to amiably disagree to disagree, with out the need of hostility or less than scrupulous means. We dont need to be manipulated to give open and honest thoughts, views, impressions or feelings and first hand knowledge or expertise.

You also have to keep in mind that if you do go *HONESTLY* seeking these views, that they will not always agree with your own feelings or thoughts. This doesnt make acceptable to turn the discussion into an argument because *YOU* perhaps enjoy a good argument or like negativity and/or dissension. :mad:

Dr. Schmitz, Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
In your original posting you sounded so genuine, almost desperate, pleading for an answer to your medical problem. "So, what I would appreciate knowing of the forum members is if anyone knows of any sort of remedies......" I felt so sorry for you and I responded quickly. This morning your posting read "Your mission and goal was to "bring out" comments from absolute anti-homeopathic persons...." And, I really thought you were looking for help, but, no, you were just stirring up controversy.

[dancingqueen]

I have found that there is no reason that anyone needs to come in the "back door" on this forum. Just walk right in the "front door" and say, this is how I feel about this or that and away we go...............

[MtnBreeze]

David...I was not belittling your choice of treatment and I don't think any other "pro alternative medicine" posts in this thread were directed against medicine. It is a choice each of us makes through either personal experience or research...however...it is a fact that the medical community in general has shunned holistic approaches in the past. That climate has changed somewhat in recent years as it is brought to light that treatments can and do work.
It is also possible if given real statistics that one could see they are skewed in favor of high cost alternatives and that the patient would die no matter which "road they chose. It is also highly possible they would live the same number of years doing absolutely nothing when it comes to cancer and with a higher quality of life. Watching a loved one suffer with any terminal disease is truly a horrible experience and many try all kinds of "cures". I see what was offered in this thread as possibilities or suggestions. To this end I see the posts as helpful (assuming the person really wanted help)

[David_V]

David...I was not belittling your choice of treatment and I don't think any other "pro alternative medicine" posts in this thread were directed against medicine. It is a choice each of us makes through either personal experience or research...however...it is a fact that the medical community in general has shunned holistic approaches in the past. That climate has changed somewhat in recent years as it is brought to light that treatments can and do work.
That's my point - they don't work. The medical community has shunned nothing. The only real medicine is evidentiary based. There is no "alternative" no "Western", just what has been proven to work. Many of these so called "alternatives" do not work. Homeopathy is just one of them. "Healing touch" was proven to be ineffective by a 12 year old girl. Others are just old ideas people are fascinated with.

It is also possible if given real statistics that one could see they are skewed in favor of high cost alternatives and that the patient would die no matter which "road they chose.
I'm not really sure what you are trying to get at here.. "Real statistics" are not skewed. And what does the cost have to do with it?

[Dr_Schmidt]

No. I am referring to the medium the original substance is diluted in.

So - WHICH "medium" is it that you are referring to --- water OR alcohol. They are both seperate mediums??????????????????/

[Dr_Schmidt]

That's my point - they don't work. The medical community has shunned nothing. The only real medicine is evidentiary based. There is no "alternative" no "Western", just what has been proven to work. Many of these so called "alternatives" do not work. Homeopathy is just one of them. "Healing touch" was proven to be ineffective by a 12 year old girl. Others are just old ideas people are fascinated with.


I'm not really sure what you are trying to get at here.. "Real statistics" are not skewed. And what does the cost have to do with it?

I beg your pardon, but, prior to making a statement like you have done here in that "The medical community has shunned nothing" you need to explore a bit more in depth. The medical community has AND STILL IS shunning not only the holistic approach to healing the body but the homeopathic and naturopathic as well. I could inform you and the rest reading this thread as to why M.D.s and big pharm shuns such things, but, I figure that an intelligent person would discover the reasons independently of being referred to anything or anyone or any reason.

The "medical dogs" better known as "M.D.s" despise and abhor any remedy via which they are unable to charge a huge price. That is the major reason they shun natural healing.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Dr. Schmitz, Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
In your original posting you sounded so genuine, almost desperate, pleading for an answer to your medical problem. "So, what I would appreciate knowing of the forum members is if anyone knows of any sort of remedies......" I felt so sorry for you and I responded quickly. This morning your posting read "Your mission and goal was to "bring out" comments from absolute anti-homeopathic persons...." And, I really thought you were looking for help, but, no, you were just stirring up controversy.

You have now concluded something which is the absolute falsehood as I am, indeed, NOT "stirring up controversy"! If you have not yet learned then you should learn it yet --- it is via controversy that people who seek the truth learn it. So if you feel that THAT is what I have done, may you also know that I have and still am learning a lot from all who have responded - some to a lesser degree and some to a greater degree, and, the major things I have learned here on this subject of homeopathy, naturopathy, holistism and such is that most of those who make comments don't know the proverbial "beans from bull____.

[Dr_Schmidt]

If you want to learn more about homeopathy, go to the website I listed earlier. Actually, it doesn't matter how they are prepared; they don't work.


Whatever.rolleyes:

From what source have you concluded "if you want to learn more about homeopathy"? It is very apparent that I ALREADY know more than many of the commentators here on this thread as most of them have had no training or personal experiences in them. Have you?

[Dr_Schmidt]

:lightingzapA:I see it that way now too csciacca ~ :no: There are more than enough real problems and situations in our lives and in this world, from people who are seeking real answers and thoughts and impressions and feelings, and genuinely seek others peoples experiences and knowledge, and compassion's!! Who arent just looking to create dissensions or argue or perhaps even *thrive* on negativity or just choose not to get along and stir the pot.....:confused:

Dr Schmidt;
We are a forum of neighbors, who are friendly, helpful, giving and loving people, who try to help each other out, listen to each other and also have the ability to amiably disagree to disagree, with out the need of hostility or less than scrupulous means. We dont need to be manipulated to give open and honest thoughts, views, impressions or feelings and first hand knowledge or expertise.

You also have to keep in mind that if you do go *HONESTLY* seeking these views, that they will not always agree with your own feelings or thoughts. This doesnt make acceptable to turn the discussion into an argument because *YOU* perhaps enjoy a good argument or like negativity and/or dissension. :mad:

To conclude something about someone whom you do not know is falacy and, as to you having concluded that I am dishonest. That is as far from the truth as one can be. I will not interject my personal beliefs here; however, in this case be assured that I do NOT lie, so just because you conclude something does not make it the truth now does it. Are you God?

[Dr_Schmidt]

Sure. Homeopathic remedies are modern snake-oil and will only give you a short-term placebo boost while draining your wallet and potentially diverting your attention from valid treatments. I'd rather drill a hole in my head (of course, some people do that too! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trepanation)

Modern or traditional, I have NEVER been confronted with "snake oil" --- which snake does it come from, the rattlesnake, cobra, python or which snake, and, how does one prepare it.

This "snake oil" might VERY WELL be the homeopathic remedy I need to get my kidneys to function again, so, how about informing me how to make it or where I can purchase it?

[Dr_Schmidt]

I would comment but people seem to get upset when I say that if it is homeopathic it does not work.:grin:

Why should YOU care as to whether or not it works on me? If you know of some remedy that I have not yet come across, how about telling me instead of informing me your own and personal thoughts as to what works and what does not work. Homeopathism works for me VERY WELL I can assure you.

[dancingqueen]

Dr. Schmidt, you come across as one of the most angry men I have ever encountered. People on this forum reached out to you. I was going to say, because they cared, and then erased it, because I don't really know why they reached out to you. I do know that I cared enough to respond quickly with information I thought might help you because you sounded desperate. Don't even bother to reply to me, because I will not see your reply, you have the honor of being the first on my ignore list. Yes, the light just went on!

[Dr_Schmidt]

What a bizarre response. :rantguy:

No more "bizarre" than your's.

[Dr_Schmidt]

I don't know if this was intended as I am reading it, but I believe when it is someones plan to ["it was my mission and goal to "bring out" commentes from absolute anti-"](insert any word here), it is considered trolling (?) which is explicitly prohibited on these forums.
Maybe Dr, Schmidt should have used a better choice of words and possibly a poll to see where people stand on an issue, from there a pro/con discussion could evolve....

JMHO

You just read the part of my posting to which you posted the quote which pleased you to read so that you could cause me problems with Sandman. I consider that to be indicative of not being to sympathetic. I am NOT "trolling" as you have termed it. And, how about reading the ENTIRE posting, not merely whatever you wish to read ---- I have thanked ALL who have made comments AND THAT INCLUDED YOU, but, I suppose thanking people is considered by yourself as "trolling" as well?

[Mysteefied]

This thread seems to be going round in circles, perhaps it's time to close it.

[dancingqueen]

Please do it.

[Kahlua Kid]

Why does everyone want to close threads all the time? It drives me crazy! (Sorry Mystee -you know I luv ya!)

I believe in both natural and man-made chemical remedies. That the two can work in conjunction with each other.

Being diagnosed with Fibro a year ago, I had to figure out through some trial and error what is going to work. I've changed my diet quite a bit for the better, getting some exercise, etc... and I feel much much better. But, when its got me down, I turn to a prescription med here and there when need be.

Read Dr. Raymond Weil - his books are eye opening. He is an M.D. who believes in using both prescription drugs/modern science when need be, but also in eating right, drinking right, vitamins, natural remedies (such as Dong Quai, don't laugh, it helps with womanly cramps ladies!) etc...

[Kahlua Kid]

STOP CLOSING THREADS - this is a major reason why I've stopped coming out here as much as we used to.

Also - all the bickering lately - its really getting old.

THis board is/can be so much fun and very informative if everyone would just allow others to have their own opinions. Instead of jumping on each other, just debate fairly.

[Mysteefied]

STOP CLOSING THREADS - this is a major reason why I've stopped coming out here as much as we used to.

Also - all the bickering lately - its really getting old.

THis board is/can be so much fun and very informative if everyone would just allow others to have their own opinions. Instead of jumping on each other, just debate fairly.

Don't worry, I'm not closing the thread, just sometimes it's sooo freakin irritating, reading the same comments, reworded over and over by the same people. I know people will say "stop reading, or don't come to the site" but I'm a moderator, I try to keep an eye on things.

Anyhow. I don't have the authority to go around closing threads, I personally haven't closed any. I just am venting my frustrations.

Hugs KK...Miss ya girl!

[Kahlua Kid]

Hugs back at ya! So let them ramble... we'll just skip over the posts we don't care to read...

[dancingqueen]

Kahlua Kid, you do enrich the world, you are thoughtful and respectful, as are most of the others on this forum. I agree, most of the time it is fun and it is informative. But, there seems to be an on going problem with a member who does not debate fairly and is disrespectful. I am going to choose to ignore him. I think you are correct, a thread should not be closed lightly, if some are enjoying it, keep it open. I am done.

[Kahlua Kid]

I don't know why, but I've learned a lot of tolerance for others. We don't know what they've been through or may be going through.

My husband has a rare neuromuscular disease and we run a non-profit organization we founded almost 10 years ago. There are a some, well, dare I say it, 'cranky old men' in that group and I've found if I email with them enough, I'll see them melt and change. They are facing some tough challenges and at least they are reaching out (some seek attention in positive ways, others in negative).

Back to topic. Flaxseed oil is good for your hair and nails...

What other natural remedies can everyone share?

[dancingqueen]

Aloe plant. There just isn't anything better than freshly cut aloe plant on a burn, cut or scraped knee. Last April we took our family to Mexico. When we got to the resort and I unpacked several big aloe leaves that I had cut and wrapped in saran wrap and put into a plastic bag everyone laughed. They were not laughing 4 days later when they had all had too much sun. I had put it in the frig and it was all cold and wet and gooie. AND no one came home with a bad sunburn, just tan little bodies.

[yosemitewriter]

Did you know that Pomegranate juice can reverse hardening of the arteries and increase blood flow? So can Nattozyme (also known as Nattokinase). It's a proteolytic enzyme.
And Arginine increases the nitric oxide in your system and makes your arteries more flexible so they expand and contract to accomodate changes in blood pressure. It is also an herbal viagra, because viagra also increases the NO2 in your system.

[only1alphafemale]

Ginger tea helps me with an upset/sour stomach ! :yes:

[Dr_Schmidt]

Aloe plant. There just isn't anything better than freshly cut aloe plant on a burn, cut or scraped knee. Last April we took our family to Mexico. When we got to the resort and I unpacked several big aloe leaves that I had cut and wrapped in saran wrap and put into a plastic bag everyone laughed. They were not laughing 4 days later when they had all had too much sun. I had put it in the frig and it was all cold and wet and gooie. AND no one came home with a bad sunburn, just tan little bodies.

The Aloe plant as well as Aloe Vera and so forth are said to be some of the VERY BEST remedies for healing anything which a person has need of to heal. I have had facsimle comments from others in other areas besides this forum and it is my intentions to secure one of the plants to grow on my property if at all possible.

It is said that the Aloe can be taken internally as well as applied externally. If so, what a WONDERFUL plant it is.

Thanks for your comment CSCIACCA, and I hope you read my posting concerning what you have said here --- this as well as your other previous postings I have printed and put into my file on PREFERRED FORUM COMMENTS in a 3-ring notebook file system I am doing regarding homeopathic remedies.

Thanks again.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Ginger tea helps me with an upset/sour stomach ! :yes:

Thanks for commenting concerning Ginger Tea --- or, for that matter, plain Ginger. I keep some ginger on hand and put a bit into most of the cookie recipes I make cookies of, including Chocolate Chip Cookies, Oatmeal and Peanut Butter, and you would never believe all of the comments I get from the cookies tasting "better than usual" and I attribute that to the very small amount of ginger I am to the recipe.

Concerning Ginger Tea, how about sharing how you make it as it may well help not only me but other readers as well.

[Dr_Schmidt]

This thread seems to be going round in circles, perhaps it's time to close it.

If you do not approve of this thread, how about refraining from reading it. AFTER your comments here about closing it, there have been additional posts some of which never would have been made that I have found delightful even as you can view if you choose to keep reading it.

And, just because you, personally, do not find some thread to your personal liking is no indication that others may be mutual with you. I began this thread to find out additional information and though I have irritated some readers, I can fully assure you that I have saved some of the comments which I have put into a 3-ring binder in my personal file system, a major posting concern Ginger Tea as well as the posting by another member concerning Pomegranite Juice.

What have you contributed?

[Dr_Schmidt]

Did you know that Pomegranate juice can reverse hardening of the arteries and increase blood flow? So can Nattozyme (also known as Nattokinase). It's a proteolytic enzyme.
And Arginine increases the nitric oxide in your system and makes your arteries more flexible so they expand and contract to accomodate changes in blood pressure. It is also an herbal viagra, because viagra also increases the NO2 in your system.

THANKS MUCH for bringing up Pomegranite Juice. Did you know that the Romans used the fruit for myriads of ailments and not only ate the fruit (with the problems of dealing with the hundreds of seeds) but also drank the juice, and its juice has healing properties as are rare in many other remedies.

Thanks for your posting.

[David_V]

This thread seems to be going round in circles, perhaps it's time to close it.
Don't close the thread, just put a certain person in your ignore list and things will be much nicer. If enough people do that, he'll go away.

[David_V]

Ginger tea helps me with an upset/sour stomach ! :yes:
Ginger does work and that has been proven in double blind studies.

People often come to the park and complain about car sick kids. I tell them to feed the kids all the ginger snaps, ginger candy, and ginger ale, they can eat. Ginger seems to have a calming effect on the inner ear.

I don't know about stomach problems, but sitting down and relaxing with a mild herbal tea always helps.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Why does everyone want to close threads all the time? It drives me crazy! (Sorry Mystee -you know I luv ya!)

I believe in both natural and man-made chemical remedies. That the two can work in conjunction with each other.

Being diagnosed with Fibro a year ago, I had to figure out through some trial and error what is going to work. I've changed my diet quite a bit for the better, getting some exercise, etc... and I feel much much better. But, when its got me down, I turn to a prescription med here and there when need be.

Read Dr. Raymond Weil - his books are eye opening. He is an M.D. who believes in using both prescription drugs/modern science when need be, but also in eating right, drinking right, vitamins, natural remedies (such as Dong Quai, don't laugh, it helps with womanly cramps ladies!) etc...

From my personal viewpoint, people - no matter which forum it is - always want to close threads because a respective thread irritates their own personal being and maybe states something they do not agree with. That, I believe, is a major reason why forums exist --- so that people of any intelligence level can make opinions and not merely agree with everyone else. Closing threads also "drives me crazy" as it is from all people that I learn, some to a lesser degree and some to a greater degree, but, I do learn and when a thread is closed, my learning becomes dormant.

Who is Dr. Raymond Weil - never previously have I heard of the person? Dong Quai is a Chinese homeopathic remedy and is said to be one of the best for specific ailments not only for cramps in females but for various ailments in males as well.

Is it possible to find anything about Dr. Weil on the internet, if so, that is what I will do? And, again, if this thread would have been closed, I would NEVER have known about the Dr. Weil whom you have now turned me on to.

Thanks, thanks, and thanks again.

Have a GREAT day.

[Kahlua Kid]

Sorry, His name is Andrew Weil, M.D

One of his books is named "Natural Health, Natural Medicine, a comprehensive manual for wellness and self-care."

[monkey]

THANKS MUCH for bringing up Pomegranite Juice. Did you know that the Romans used the fruit for myriads of ailments and not only ate the fruit (with the problems of dealing with the hundreds of seeds) but also drank the juice, and its juice has healing properties as are rare in many other remedies.
.

Maybe that's why I like my Pomegranite Martini so much. It has antioxidants AND vodka!

Ants are reportedly a treatment for flu, sore throats and coughs. They are a refreshing snack with a lemony zest to them. (I just read this in National Geographic Traveler magazine)

[MtnBreeze]

If you do not approve of this thread, how about refraining from reading it. AFTER your comments here about closing it, there have been additional posts some of which never would have been made that I have found delightful even as you can view if you choose to keep reading it.

And, just because you, personally, do not find some thread to your personal liking is no indication that others may be mutual with you. I began this thread to find out additional information and though I have irritated some readers, I can fully assure you that I have saved some of the comments which I have put into a 3-ring binder in my personal file system, a major posting concern Ginger Tea as well as the posting by another member concerning Pomegranite Juice.

What have you contributed?

I didn't percieve her statement as not approving... as I don't think anyone else did with the possible exception of you...others expressed not to close it ..she is a moderator and merely made a suggestion. She then responded as such....really no need to bring it up again IMO.

[kellieflan]

Ccsiacca, I think you said you took aloe to Mexico... Regarding Aloe... I always had it growing when I lived in Culver City in southern California - can we grow it up here in the mountains, and do I need to bring it inside when it's (a) cold out or (b) freezing (like the other two succulents I've had success with).
Thanks, K.

[Ironhorse]

Peppermint tea or Bigelow's herbal Plantation Mint tea help settle my stomach. Cranberry juice drunk regularly keeps me from getting kidney stones (which I've had 3 times and DON't EVER want to get again), and the cranberry juice is a much less expensive alternative to the pomegranate juice for me.

[dancingqueen]

I just grow it in my kitchen window. I have never tried growing it outside. My whole entire life both my grandmothers as well as my mother have grown aloe. If you have a burn or a cut just snip off a little every time you think about it and before you know it has healed up and usually without a scar. My husband had his first hip replacement 4 years ago. It was the big 13 inch incision, as soon as the surgeon would allow me, I think it was at 2 weeks when the staples were removed, I started putting aloe on his incision a couple of times a day. Now, 4 years later there is no scar at all on that cute rump of his. Three weeks ago he had the other hip done, this time with the minimal invasive surgery, started the aloe treatment 2 weeks ago.....all is good.

[only1alphafemale]

Ccsiacca, I think you said you took aloe to Mexico... Regarding Aloe... I always had it growing when I lived in Culver City in southern California - can we grow it up here in the mountains, and do I need to bring it inside when it's (a) cold out or (b) freezing (like the other two succulents I've had success with).
Thanks, K.

Yes you do need to bring it in, or the freezing temps will kill it, like a jade plant etc. I love the healing benefits of the aloe plant! I usually kill mine by using them sooooooo much faster than they can grow.......LOL.... but since the kids have grown, I dont seem to kill them as fast from over use....... :rofl:

[David_V]

Ants are reportedly a treatment for flu, sore throats and coughs. They are a refreshing snack with a lemony zest to them. (I just read this in National Geographic Traveler magazine)
Insects are very tasty. I love grasshoppers fried with potatoes. :eat:

[David_V]

Ccsiacca, I think you said you took aloe to Mexico... Regarding Aloe... I always had it growing when I lived in Culver City in southern California - can we grow it up here in the mountains, and do I need to bring it inside when it's (a) cold out or (b) freezing (like the other two succulents I've had success with).
Thanks, K.
has anyone tried aloe on poison oak?

Does the nursery have some for sale? I gave mine away to someone with kids. It was funny, after a few months the kids were asking for the "medicine plant" to be put on imaginary hurts, just like they used to ask for bandages - usually with cartoons on them - for imaginary hurts.

[only1alphafemale]

has anyone tried aloe on poison oak?

Does the nursery have some for sale? I gave mine away to someone with kids. It was funny, after a few months the kids were asking for the "medicine plant" to be put on imaginary hurts, just like they used to ask for bandages - usually with cartoons on them - for imaginary hurts.


My first impression would be no~ Not at the beginning of the outbreak of poison oak anyway. I dont get poison oak all that often but when I do, I want to dry it up as quickly as possible first.

Then once its blisters have dried up and its on its way to healing, you could use it I would think, without the fear of it keeping it moist or helping it spread?

[kellieflan]

David, I called Western Sierra Nursery and they won't have any more aloe vera until summer - it can not tolerate frost. I did a quick search on the internet (I'm really regretting leaving all the mature aloe behind in So. Cal.) and here's a place that has it...

www.tytyga.com/product/Aloe+vera

If you find something better, let me know.

On an unrelated note, when my daughter was five she wanted to jump off the high dive at the local pool, but she was afraid. I said, "Try some basil, some people thing it helps with bravery." She was always eating the basil right off the plant. So, she took the basil and jumped off the high dive, and ever since we have the saying "Basil for Bravery." Ahh, the power of suggestion!

[kellieflan]

Have you ever tried the oatmeal bath treatment sold at Rite Aid, etc.? That is very soothing for a rash or sunburn. We don't seem to have a problem with poison oak, so I haven't tried it for that specifically, we are not "out among 'em" as much as you are probably. Oatmeal bath comes several packets to a box and is affordable.

[dancingqueen]

I almost always get my aloe plant in the grocery store floral dept. Infact, I think I got the one I have now at Raley's. I just looked at mine sitting on the sink and it has a little off shoot plant. If you can not find one, I would be glad to share. Good hunting.......

[only1alphafemale]

The last one that I bought came from Raleys, but they arent hard to find at all, expecially down in the valley :yes: if you cant locate one locally, and Yes! Dr. Schmidt! You can buy aloe vera for drinking in gallon size jugs! Like with most things though, if you drink it you need to start of slowly, until your sure how you react to it~ :grin: Its got loads of beneficial uses!

[David_V]

My first impression would be no~ Not at the beginning of the outbreak of poison oak anyway. I dont get poison oak all that often but when I do, I want to dry it up as quickly as possible first.
Technu "Calagel" (contains NO calamine) is the ONLY thing I put on after the rash develops. I swear by it. It stops the itch, stops the reaction, and dries it up. Nothing I've tried works better... .and believe me... I've tried many things.

Then once its blisters have dried up and its on its way to healing, you could use it I would think, without the fear of it keeping it moist or helping it spread?
After the first few hours, it won't spread anyway, but that's what I was thinking - after the initial reaction has died down it might help speed up recovery.

[David_V]

David, I called Western Sierra Nursery and they won't have any more aloe vera until summer - it can not tolerate frost. I did a quick search on the internet (I'm really regretting leaving all the mature aloe behind in So. Cal.) and here's a place that has it...

www.tytyga.com/product/Aloe+vera
Thanks, maybe I'll buy some.

On an unrelated note, when my daughter was five she wanted to jump off the high dive at the local pool, but she was afraid. I said, "Try some basil, some people thing it helps with bravery." She was always eating the basil right off the plant. So, she took the basil and jumped off the high dive, and ever since we have the saying "Basil for Bravery." Ahh, the power of suggestion!
That worked in the same way my "monster spray" worked. My daughter KNEW there was a monster in the closet. It gave her real nightmares. I got a spray bottle, filled it with water, added a bit of food color and some of my old aftershave lotion. Then I made up a phony label, she couldn't read yet anyway, and we sprayed the closet. It worked. No more monster.

[David_V]

Have you ever tried the oatmeal bath treatment sold at Rite Aid, etc.? That is very soothing for a rash or sunburn. We don't seem to have a problem with poison oak, so I haven't tried it for that specifically, we are not "out among 'em" as much as you are probably. Oatmeal bath comes several packets to a box and is affordable.
It might work, but after trying that Tecnu Calagel (http://www.poisonoakandivy.com/calagel.html)I don't think I could try anything else. It works that good.

Also, for real bad exposures, I've soaked my arm (where I usually get it) in a strong bath of Epsom salt and hot water. It seemed to dry it up and stop the itch.

[yosemitewriter]

Cranberry juice is great for urinary tract infections and the prevention of kidney stones. But it was the pomegranate that was actually documented in experiments as reducing arterial plaque by as much as 44% by dissolving the cholesterol build-up. I take them both. They are so much better than comsuming soft drinks. Maybe a little more expensive, but what's your health worth? Speaking of soft drinks, did you know they can cause osteoporosis? The phosphoric acid in soft drinks will leach calcium from your bones and make your bones brittle, breakable, and prone to osteoporosis.
And cherry juice is the natural cure for gout because it flushes the kidneys and dissolves uric acid crystals, which are like little shavings of glass...and they hurt as much when they get into a toe joint.


Peppermint tea or Bigelow's herbal Plantation Mint tea help settle my stomach. Cranberry juice drunk regularly keeps me from getting kidney stones (which I've had 3 times and DON't EVER want to get again), and the cranberry juice is a much less expensive alternative to the pomegranate juice for me.

[kellieflan]

Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?

[Kahlua Kid]

Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?

Yes, this thread is giving me lots of new information!

I have heard drinking Green Tea is very good for Arthritus. It helps with the inflammation of the joints.

[yosemitewriter]

Glucosamine and chondroitin are the popular remedies and you can get them at Trader Joe's or Raleys. Also MSM works very well. Then there's cetyl myristoleate (CMO) which is supposed to help rebuild cartilage. Bromelain (which comes from pineapples) is a good anti-inflammatory. HA (hyuralonic acid) keeps the fluid in the joints in good condition so movement is easier since it lubricates the joints and decreases surface friction. These are a few of what I have used. You should go talk to Margina at Nature's Nutrients. She can offer some good advice and get you whatever you need.



Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?

[dancingqueen]

This is a wonderful thread, thank you to everyone for turning it around. Last night I really thought I was finshed with it, so glad I stuck with it, have learned so much. One of the problems of modern medicine is that it takes so darn long from onset of symptoms to diagnosis. My husband had a very successful total hip replacement 3 weeks ago this past Thursday. He was just doing fantastic, up and walking within 4 hours, just one night in the hospital, 2 days using a walker and off of all pain medication within two weeks. THEN a week ago yesterday he woke up with a stomach ach. He looked very peaked, had shortness of breath and low energy level. No fever. I couldn't get him to call or allow me to call the doctor so he pretty much layed around all weekend, reading and watching football. On Monday I called his doctor and could not get him in, Tuesday is his doctors day off and his partner was on vacation so we got an appointment with the PA on Tuesday. She had never meet my husband and since he spends so much time working on the property she didn't really realize how peaked he was. Also he had lost 8 pounds in 2 weeks and his blood pressure was very low. She thought that strange because your blood pressure is usually higher when you are in pain. She made him do that stupid 0-10 pain scale and he said it was between a 5-7. She sent him to the lab for blood work and gave him samples of Nexium, not sure why since heart burn or acid reflux were not a symptom, and by the way it has not lessoned the pain at all. So on Wednesday after several phone calls we are told that there is a problem with his blood plateletts (sp?). They arranged for an ultrasound in Fresno on Monday afternoon. AND this whole time he has been in pain, never has gone away. Where is Dr. House when you need him. After reading this thread I am going to start pouring all of those great juices down his throat. He does not seem to have an appetite but eats everything I fix for him. Nothing so far has made the pain any worse or any better. It is just such a wait and see process.

[Kim]

You would not be overreactive if you would take your husband to Urgent Care or the ED where he got his hip replaced, in my opinion, if his symptoms worsen. Deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism are two of the most common occurences after a hip replacement and so chest pain or shortness of breath should not be taken lightly. Please keep that in mind; I don't want to frighten you but please do not neglect medical care if he gets worse.

[dancingqueen]

Thank you Kim, I am watching him closely. I did call his surgeon's office on Thursday to let them know what was going on. He has had no chest pain and he does wear his compression hosery on both legs 24 hrs a day, only takes them off to shower. I will not hesitate to call an ambulance if he needs one or take him to our little ER. He is just resting, reading. He has not lost his sense of humor enjoys speaking to friends on the phone when they call to check on him. But, mostly he is trying to convince me it isn't anything at all. He is a bit of a show off and has diagnosed himself with a duodenal ulcer. Oh, did I mention he has spent some time on the computer too.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Thank you Kim, I am watching him closely. I did call his surgeon's office on Thursday to let them know what was going on. He has had no chest pain and he does wear his compression hosery on both legs 24 hrs a day, only takes them off to shower. I will not hesitate to call an ambulance if he needs one or take him to our little ER. He is just resting, reading. He has not lost his sense of humor enjoys speaking to friends on the phone when they call to check on him. But, mostly he is trying to convince me it isn't anything at all. He is a bit of a show off and has diagnosed himself with a duodenal ulcer. Oh, did I mention he has spent some time on the computer too.

And, I, shall remember him and you as well (care givers and spouses need it too) within my prayers.

[David_V]

Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?
A friend of mine - a fellow entomologist - says that pigs get arthritis. They give them large doses of antibiotics to clear it up. Maybe human arthritis is different. Antibiotics doesn't seem to work... but then an old high school friend is in a wheelchair, from the age of 8, with arthritis. She said that she scratched herself on a piece of dirty, rusty, metal and within hours felt sick and then the arthritis symptoms started to appear.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Have you ever tried the oatmeal bath treatment sold at Rite Aid, etc.? That is very soothing for a rash or sunburn. We don't seem to have a problem with poison oak, so I haven't tried it for that specifically, we are not "out among 'em" as much as you are probably. Oatmeal bath comes several packets to a box and is affordable.

For those forum readers who think that it is possible to use regular Oatmeal --- the oatmeal used for bathing is called Aveeno Oatmeal and, although it is a type of oatmeal it is not the edible type.

[kellieflan]

For those forum readers who think that it is possible to use regular Oatmeal --- the oatmeal used for bathing is called Aveeno Oatmeal and, although it is a type of oatmeal it is not the edible type.

Exactly right, thank you Dr_Schmidt.

[MtnBreeze]

Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?

My arthritis has almost completely gone away since I began eating more raw foods, elimiated most dairy and quit drinking coffee...(I only drink it occassionally now) I drink herbal teas. But there are remedies you can get at health food stores that help as Yosemitewriter says.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Anyone have any useful cures for arthritis? I've got some in the a/c joint on my right shoulder - a sports injury (ha, it's inflamed from throwing the ball for the dog!). Would love to hear. And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?

And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?[/QUOTE]


YEPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and, I am not only enjoying it but adding more entries to my 3-ring binder file on this thread ----- bUT don't forget about my kidneys, please?

[Dr_Schmidt]

Maybe that's why I like my Pomegranite Martini so much. It has antioxidants AND vodka!

Ants are reportedly a treatment for flu, sore throats and coughs. They are a refreshing snack with a lemony zest to them. (I just read this in National Geographic Traveler magazine)

Did it state what TYPE of ants it is?

[kellieflan]

Thanks, everyone, for the arthritis information - I will give it all a try and I think the pomegranate martini, too! :grin:

[Kahlua Kid]

I don't know about natural remedies for your kidneys.

You might just go do some research on the net for 'natural remedies, kidneys' and see what is out there - of course its difficult to tell what 'really' works and what is just, well, as I mentioned in another post, 'snake oil'...

I suppose getting ahold of a reputable natural healer and your doctor for advisement would be advisable.

[Dr_Schmidt]

Sorry, His name is Andrew Weil, M.D

One of his books is named "Natural Health, Natural Medicine, a comprehensive manual for wellness and self-care."

There is no need to be sorry at all --- I typed "Dr. Raymond Weil" into my search browser and such a doctor ACTUALLY exists, so, I visited his site pages for a while enjoying all of them.

However, if the doc you referred to is actually Andrew Weil, M.D., I shall also do the search thing on him and see what comes up.

I do not know if you know of Dr. Foster, but, she, also, is an M.D. and is an N.D. as well. She has books on the subjects and a website with the addy of: www.startthehealing.com She is a wonderful lady and her programs have helped me more than I ever anticipated.

[yosemitewriter]

Another thought on kidneys. Are you familiar with Dr. Julian Whitaker and the Whitaker Wellness Center in Costa Mesa? He publishes a newsletter that I've been getting for several years called "Health and Healing". His website is www.drwhitaker.com. I'm really impressed with what I've heard about him, and you can check into the Wellness Center for a total evaluation on your condition and then they will treat you. That is definitely the way I would go if my kidneys ever fail. It's worth checking out.



And hasn't this thread taken a lovely turn?


YEPPER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, and, I am not only enjoying it but adding more entries to my 3-ring binder file on this thread ----- bUT don't forget about my kidneys, please?[/QUOTE]

[dancingqueen]

I have suffered with night time leg cramps for 40 years. For about the past 10 years I have been putting little hotel soaps (unwrapped) under my bottom sheet. At first I started out with one and I think I changed it about once a year. Now I am up to three and I change them about three times a year. I was reminded of this last night when I went to bed, got all warm and snugglie and I could feel the cramp coming on in my left calf, so I just felt around with my foot for the soap (it scoots around) layed my calf right on top of it and the cramp instantly went away. When I am traveling I always make sure that I have a bottle of Smart Water on the night stand. For me, if I have a few sips of that when I feel a cramp coming on, it will go away. The cramps used to be so bad that I could feel the after effects the entire next day. Now that never happens. I really don't care why these remedies work for me. They just do and for that I am very grateful.

[Dodgergirl]

There is no need to be sorry at all --- I typed "Dr. Raymond Weil" into my search browser and such a doctor ACTUALLY exists, so, I visited his site pages for a while enjoying all of them.

Isn't Raymond Weil a watchmaker? ;) seems like a spent a lot on a watch there for my daughters 25th BD......

[Ironhorse]

I got a free sample of Tecnu (for poison oak) in the mail 3-4 years ago. I gave it to my mom as she is the one that always seems to get it every year. Now she swears by the stuff. And yes, you can find it at Raleys, in the medicine aisles and in the aisle with the cmaping stuff.

Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis.....................I've tried this several times over many years, I've had arthritis real bad in my knees for about 14 years, and for several years prior to that in a milder form. I guess it's one of those "for some it works, for others it's nothing" deals, but I never even got any improvement at all by taking this. I read last month sometime, maybe it was one of the health articles on yahoo! News, that studies have now found Glucosamine/Chondroitin to be ineffective. I rarely drink sodas, so that doesn't contribute to it for me, my red meat consumption is way, way down from what it used to be. I have noticed that if I am not keep myself hydrated well enough, the arthritis seems to get worse. And of course the fluctuations of our weather right now are absolutely killing me (my knees), warm to cold, cold to warm, etc. Once it levels out to cold all the time for winter, or hot for summer, I seem to do better.

They say eat lots of potassium to keep from getting foot and leg cramps, which I get frequently (don't you just hate when you can "feel" them coming on, and there's nothing you can do?). The Dr. would tell me to do things like eat bananas, LOL, but you can only eat so many bananas, so now I just take potassium supplements. Gives me a better concentration of what I need.

As for the pomegranate juice, my health is worth a lot to me, but sometimes a person just can't afford to buy the pomegranate juice or cherry juice (whose prices are just out of sight!). I talked about the cranberry juice because it is the most affordable alternative for me, and something I can afford to drink a cup of each day, which PREVENTS, the recurrences of the kidney stone attacks, which is VERY valuable to me. With the pomegranate juice or cherry juice, if I could afford it, it would only be while I was have the stones happening, and then only for a short time at that. I'd rather be able to invest in preventing the attacks in the first place, and get some other benefits from drinking the juice daily.

[BGW]

RE: Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis

My vet told me it works much better on our aging dogs than it does on humans, tho--when I asked, he couldn't explain the why!! lol

[Sandman]

RE: Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis

My vet told me it works much better on our aging dogs than it does on humans, tho--when I asked, he couldn't explain the why!! lol



Since I have been dealing with Arthritis my entire life, I have tried just about every treatment out there, Glucosamine being one of them. It did nothing for me. Latest research suggests it can actually do more HARM than good. Of course, different bodies react differently, but you may want to do a quick google search and read up on the latest studies.

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/DSH/glucosamine.html

Some human studies have found that either one may relieve arthritis pain and stiffness with fewer side effects than conventional arthritis drugs. Other studies have shown no benefit. As the research accumulated, expert review bodies have been cautious because, although positive reports outnumbered negative ones, the negative ones have been larger and better designed

[dancingqueen]

Have any of you who are trying to eat mostly raw fruit and veggies ever tried a Blendtec Home. They use the commercial ones at Jamba Juice. Several of my friends over the past 3 years who have developed cancer have gotten them on the advice of their doctors. I had the pleasure of enjoying many fruit smoothies and veggie concocktions, also hot soups. About 6 months ago I saw them being demonstrated at Costco and I watched and tasted. Came home, told my hubbie about it and went back the next day and bought one. They are pretty pricy, about $300. BUT mine sits right on my counter and I use it 5 out of seven days of the week. Some days I use it more than once. When we have company for the weekend it is going all the time because our friends and family just can not believe all that it does and how good everything tastes. I was just telling my husband that I hardly ever shop the center isles at the grocery store any more. I shop almost exclusivily the outside rim of the store, dairy, produce, meat and fish, bakery and deli. I just made him a smoothie from fresh pineapple, banana, green grapes, an orange, an apple and a container of peach yogurt. This summer we made so many with fresh berries of all kinds, wow they are getting so expensive, will have to start using frozen berries until next summer.

[Sandman]

I thought I'd share what works best for my and my Rheumatoid Arthritis. First of all, keeping a positive attitude is EVERYTHING. It's important to stay positive and not slip into being depressed about the pain. If you think you will feel better tomorrow, you probably will. Also, exercise is key to keep the joints moving. When you are swollen and not feeling well, take a break. But when you are feeling good, exercise! Stress can be extremely damaging. I do my best to avoid any type of stressful situation when I am not feeling well. Also, be prepared for changes in the weather. Take a hot bath or hot tub as soon as it starts to rain. Pain Management is key. I was taught how to block out pain at a very young age. Now if I can only learn how to block out the emotional pain.

Did you notice that I didn't mention any pills? That's because after many years of popping my prescription meds, I threw away all of them. I do my best to manage my pain using my own methods.

[David_V]

...Some human studies have found that either one may relieve arthritis pain and stiffness with fewer side effects than conventional arthritis drugs. Other studies have shown no benefit. As the research accumulated, expert review bodies have been cautious because, although positive reports outnumbered negative ones, the negative ones have been larger and better designed
Sounds like the placebo effect to me.

[cattledoggiemoon]

I just met the daughter of the original owners
82 and in fantastic health and energy. This is her business .

http://www.anappleadayonline.com/history.htm

[Sandman]

Sounds like the placebo effect to me.

Exactly. :yes:

[yosemitewriter]

You can get the pomegranate and cherry juice extract in capsule form which is a LOT cheaper, from Swanson Vitamins.... www.swansonvitamins.com. I buy most of my vitamins from them. They have good quality and good prices.
Years ago I was having such bad back pain that I had trouble getting out of a chair. I started taking glucosamine and chondroitin and within 3-4 days, the pain was gone and I was moving freely and that pain has stayed away from me since then. Those pills did what the chiropractor was unable to do, so I don't thinks it's a placebo effect. Also, I recently found that chondroitin doesn't work on some people because the molecules are too large to be absorbed. So I was able to track down some low molecular weight chondroitin from Enzymatic Therapy. This might make a big difference to a lot of people who don't get any benefit from the regular chondroitin.





Glucosamine/Chondroitin for arthritis.....................I've tried this several times over many years, I've had arthritis real bad in my knees for about 14 years, and for several years prior to that in a milder form. I guess it's one of those "for some it works, for others it's nothing" deals, but I never even got any improvement at all by taking this. I read last month sometime, maybe it was one of the health articles on yahoo! News, that studies have now found Glucosamine/Chondroitin to be ineffective. I rarely drink sodas, so that doesn't contribute to it for me, my red meat consumption is way, way down from what it used to be. I have noticed that if I am not keep myself hydrated well enough, the arthritis seems to get worse. And of course the fluctuations of our weather right now are absolutely killing me (my knees), warm to cold, cold to warm, etc. Once it levels out to cold all the time for winter, or hot for summer, I seem to do better.

They say eat lots of potassium to keep from getting foot and leg cramps, which I get frequently (don't you just hate when you can "feel" them coming on, and there's nothing you can do?). The Dr. would tell me to do things like eat bananas, LOL, but you can only eat so many bananas, so now I just take potassium supplements. Gives me a better concentration of what I need.

As for the pomegranate juice, my health is worth a lot to me, but sometimes a person just can't afford to buy the pomegranate juice or cherry juice (whose prices are just out of sight!). I talked about the cranberry juice because it is the most affordable alternative for me, and something I can afford to drink a cup of each day, which PREVENTS, the recurrences of the kidney stone attacks, which is VERY valuable to me. With the pomegranate juice or cherry juice, if I could afford it, it would only be while I was have the stones happening, and then only for a short time at that. I'd rather be able to invest in preventing the attacks in the first place, and get some other benefits from drinking the juice daily.

[David_V]

You can get the pomegranate and cherry juice extract in capsule form which is a LOT cheaper....
You'd be better off buying the fruit fresh.

....Those pills did what the chiropractor was unable to do, so I don't thinks it's a placebo effect....
Most likely it was since chiropractic also works on the placebo effect.

The guy that invented chiropractic, Palmer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_David_Palmer), had a sign in his office. It read; "The world is your cow - you just have to milk it."

In his 1926 book "Selling Yourself" he said that "patients should never be told that they are well, only that they are getting better. If a patient asks if chiropractic treatments are to be continued for life, the answer should be; No, only as long as you want to stay healthy."

For further reading, click here (http://www.chirobase.org/).

[MtnBreeze]

Has a VitaMix which we use daily ..I ONLY shop the center of Raleys where the fresh produce and whole foods are....Occasionally I wander down to the meat dept....the body can rebuild and maintain itself if given whole raw food....I was having problems with my knees as well as my other joints and since changing my diet...plus taking Juice Plus (which is dehydrated fruits and veggies) My joints hardly ever hurt and I have better motion...er not as stiff. I also have a dehydrator and if foods are dehydrated at leas than 108 degrees I think it is...then they maintain their quality and enzymes. One can purchase products which if they are made from food sources are more easily digested. I do the Juice Plus because I also got free ones for my grand daughters for a study they are doing. ...I feel the difference when I don't take them but it isn't necessary to get that brand. It insures I am getting all my veggies and fruits, even tho I eat alot of veggies I fail to consume as much fruit so it helps me. Matt is right about exercise too...The more I get the better I feel. When my daughter first suggested a raw food diet..I was like YUCK because I thought I would miss the cheese and meat....but quite the contrary has occurred. Hahaha I rememeber the first time I went to a party after not having meat for about 4 months...there was tritip and ribs...I love both...so I was gonna have some...I took a little of each and didn't eat it...was BBQ'd too....I was shocked at myself. Now when I eat "junk" food or if I eat much meat or dairy I don't feel good...I get sluggish and if I do this for like a week....my joints I notice begin to ache a bit. I'm sure each of us is different. But I know of a few people who have "cured" themselves of all sorts of things by going raw.
There is a program called Raw for 30 Days where they have had people with diabetes get off insulin by changing their diet...it is worth watching. We are so programmed to eat our SAD (standard american diet) we think we will be deprived not doing so. PLus I have found online so many delicious recipes for substituting raw for so many things we consume...like I make a ranch type dressing out of almonds...anyway.... I've rambled enough....enjoy :)

[dancingqueen]

Many years ago I was rear ended in an out accident. My insurance paid for chiropractic care, I had never tried it before so I thought I would give it a shot. I can't remember how many treatments my insurance covered but I do remember that I felt great afterwards and as soon as I got in my car, drove back to my office and got out of my car I was hurting all over again. When my insurance quit paying I told the doctor I was finished and he scolded me "do you mean to tell me you are going to neglect your chiropractic health". I just laughed and left the office. Money down the drain as far as I am conserned.

[dancingqueen]

MtnBreeze, is there a cook book on eating raw, that you know of?

[David_V]

MtnBreeze, is there a cook book on eating raw, that you know of?

Wouldn't that kind of be like cooking sushi?:cool:

[David_V]

Many years ago I was rear ended in an out accident. My insurance paid for chiropractic care, I had never tried it before so I thought I would give it a shot. I can't remember how many treatments my insurance covered but I do remember that I felt great afterwards and as soon as I got in my car, drove back to my office and got out of my car I was hurting all over again. When my insurance quit paying I told the doctor I was finished and he scolded me "do you mean to tell me you are going to neglect your chiropractic health". I just laughed and left the office. Money down the drain as far as I am concerned.
A good massage therapist would have been cheaper and more effective.

[kellieflan]

I guard against stress like I watch out for rattlesnakes when hiking - only I'm more successful avoiding rattlesnakes. I have gotten some great massages - and so has my husband - from Michelle at Revive salon in Oakhurst. Anyone else have good massage experience to share (careful, that's a loaded question!)?

[dancingqueen]

If she can make ranch dressing out of almonds I bet she has a few other recipes up her sleeve.

[Kahlua Kid]

Michelle is the best!!! That is where I go.

I guard against stress like I watch out for rattlesnakes when hiking - only I'm more successful avoiding rattlesnakes. I have gotten some great massages - and so has my husband - from Michelle at Revive salon in Oakhurst. Anyone else have good massage experience to share (careful, that's a loaded question!)?

[Edana]

csciacca,

I used to get the most horrible leg cramps almost every night. I read that they were caused by a mineral deficiency, particularly potassium & calcium. I started eating a banana every day and that did seem to work. I also started taking a prescription strength D vitamin so who knows whats keeping them at bay now. Whatever works, right?

Also, Ive had a couple neurologist strongly advise against chiropractors. Both have told me that you run a risk of "stroking out" when you let them adjust you. Im all for alternative medicine but thats sounds awfully scary to me.

[yosemitewriter]

I like my fish cooked. It's safer that way. Sushi (or RAW fish) is more commonly known as "bait". You put it on a hook and throw it in the water


Wouldn't that kind of be like cooking sushi?:cool:

[David_V]

I like my fish cooked. It's safer that way. Sushi (or RAW fish) is more commonly known as "bait". You put it on a hook and throw it in the water
Sushi is great. I go to Oka as often as I can afford it.... which is not as often as I like. :(

[yosemitewriter]

Chaq'une a son gue (or something like that). I know, I'm in the minority when it comes to eating raw fish, but unless I catch it myself, I feel safer if it's cooked to some degree.

Sushi is great. I go to Oka as often as I can afford it.... which is not as often as I like. :(

[David_V]

Chaq'une a son gue (or something like that). I know, I'm in the minority when it comes to eating raw fish, but unless I catch it myself, I feel safer if it's cooked to some degree.
I, and millions of other people, have not had one problem. I've been to sea food restaurants where the cooked fish was inedible and most likely to cause more problems than sushi. I never order cooked fish at a restaurant. It's ALWAYS old, days past it's prime. You can tell if sushi is fresh; it does not smell - and I can smell trimethylamine (the chemical that causes that "fishy" odor) a mile away.

[MtnBreeze]

MtnBreeze, is there a cook book on eating raw, that you know of?

Yes but I don't have one...I took a class last year where I have lotsa recipes but you can go to this website which has some great recipes...I know there are some good books cause one woman in our class who improved her health and got her diabetes under control during the class bought some at a book store. Here's the website


http://www.fromsadtoraw.com/RawRecipes.htm

[MtnBreeze]

Wouldn't that kind of be like cooking sushi?:cool:

Hahahahah David ...I know I always call what I do cooking from years of actually cooking :)

[dancingqueen]

Thank you MtnBreeze.

[MtnBreeze]

Thank you MtnBreeze.

You are quite welcome and here is the recipe I use for the ranch type dressing...I put it all in my vitamix and blend till creamy.
Raw almonds or cashews (about one cup nuts) and one cup water, juice of one lemon (or more) dash of vinegar and honey or agave nector to taste, 1 Tblsp of extra virgin Olive oil, 1 Tbsp of onion powder (I use a fresh onion ...about half of it) 1 Tbsp of garlic powder ( I use usually 2 large cloves of garlic) 1 tsp of sea salt. You can add fresh or dried dill or other herbs to taste....can be used as a dressing or dip. I even use it kinda like Mayonaise and take a spelt tortilla or large leaf of lettuce and spread it with the dressing then add veggies of choice, avocado and/or seeds and roll up like a burrito...yummy