Christ's linage

[beautiful_mess38]

I've been reading this book, One of my fav. authors and it's blowing me away. It goes against everthing I've been taught.

I'll let you read a few passages then tell me what you think. Especially you Coldwolf I would really love to read your opinion being you put a new objective to everything.

In Dan Brown's book "Angels & Demons" he writes about a group called "The Illuminati". Although this book is a work of fiction, Brown says that the brotherhood of the Illuminati is not. My spirit guide Francine says that it does indeed exist, as do many other underground organizations that have information of Christ's lineage..
Francine says that after Jesus fulfilled his commitment and left his apostles, he took the two Mary's (his mother and Magdalene) and went from Jerusalem to Qumran. From there they traveled to Turkey and Kashmir and finally ended in France.
It was in France that Jesus and Mary Magdalene (whom he'd married) started a family. Francine goes to say that they had three children, two boys and one girl, and that our Lord lived to be very old. However; he died before his wife, who spent the rest of her live in his ministy.

What do we really know about Mary Magdalene?. We've been told she was a prostitute. It's in the Bible right? Nowhere does it say in the Bible that Mary Magdalene was a harlot. So how did she get labled a prostitute?
In Luke 8, it says tht Jesus cast out seven demons from Mary Magdalene. Pope Gregory said that the seven demons represented the seven deadly sins. He also stated the Mary Magdalene was the woman identified in Luke as the woman living a life of sin, who anointed Jesus' feet with perfumed oils. Did you know in 1969 the Catholic church repealed the declaration that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.
So who is this woman? If she wasn't the repentant prostitute that we've known her as for so many years. The name Magdalene may have denoted her hometown of Madgala on the shore of Galilee, or it may have a title. In Aramaic Magdala means Tower. So Mary the Magdalene may have been a title similar to Mary the Great or Mary of Towering Faith.
In the gospels she is portrayed as not a primary disciple, but as one of the women who traveled with Jesus and his disciples. Mary Magdalene was one of the few of Jesus' followers present at the Crucifixtion,not his mother, Mary. Most of the male disciples were in hiding, afraid that they might be arrested and crucified also. Mary Magdalne was the first to visit the tomb where Christ was placed and witnessed the risen Christ.
Thank about Leonardo Da Vince, painting of the Last Supper. The person sitting on Jesus' right is a female beleaved to be Mary Magdalene.

What is your opinion? Who is Mary Magdalene? Could Jesus have an affair and or married her?

I've also read about Jesus' did not die on the cross. How he was hung on the cross vs the other way where it takes several days to die. It says he was placed in a tomb alive where Mary Magadalene was there. He came out hungry and with wounds and actually ate fish. He showed himself to his disiciples and thats where he left his disciples and went with the two Marys.

I know this gets pretty deep, but what do you think?

[rimar]

Interesting. On The Daily Show of all places last week, there was an author of some type of myths of the bible book or sometrhing. He said that the story of casting stones ("let he who is without sin cast the first stone") was not in the earliest versions of the bible and that it is likely that a scribe added it at some point because it had a good moral to it. He explained that because the only way to duplictae the bible was to physically transcribe it, often times scribes would mistake notes in the margin for scripture and add it in or just make things sound the way they thought they should which of course altered the meaning of the words.

[Yosemite Joy]

I saw a show recently that stated that the suggestion that Da Vinci painted a woman next to Jesus in the Last Supper painting was absurd and incorrect. The person sitting next to Jesus is John. Mary Magdelene (excuse the spelling if I am wrong, I don't want to look it up) wiped the men's feet at the Last Supper. She wasn't eating with them. This is a fun theory, but UFO's and psychics are as well. Doesn't mean you should believe that stuff.


Hello? The Da Vinci Code is Fiction. It is as fictional as Harry Potter (yes, Harry Potter is fiction!) I am relieved to see that you know that Angels and Demons is fiction as well.

I haven't read any of his books, seems like there is too much blah blah on television about it.. and now a movie, and blah.

I wouldn't believe the Catholic Church and Popes on much. But I digress, I am a recovering Catholic.

Obviously if you are a christian, you believe that Jesus did not sin. As in "an affair" with a woman was probably not a go with God (his father) and all.

You are reading fiction about Jesus not dying on the cross and now you want to believe that? (Not that I am saying I completely believe the stories in the Bible, but I, well I already told you). Come on, there is no real debate here.

Then again, the Bible could be fiction too, and then where does that leave us?

[Dodgergirl]

Actually, from what I've studied, death from hanging on a cross takes hours, not days. Your arms cannot support the weight of the body, so they eventually snap, the lungs start to fill with fluid, and the actual death is caused by drowning. Thus makes sense biblically because the soldier 'pierced Jesus' side' and water poured out. Could this be the fluid built up in his lungs? I believe so.
As for Mary Magdalene, I have heard theory on her being the woman at the well, the woman with 4 husbands. Read it & you'll get it. Ya know, the "go and sin no more" lady...
No, the whole purpose of having a Son as Savior was He was Without Sin, so an affair would be out. I do not believe he was married either.
Yes, I believe the Illuminati does exist now, as it did then.
And, how does the author explain the Asencion if Jesus just packed up & went to France? Remember, if not for the miracle of the resurrection, the disciples would not have traveled the world, preached the Word or written much of it down. There had to be something special (re:miraculous) to cause so many people to believe.

[beautiful_mess38]

I didnt type all of it. I wanted especially to type out the hanging on the cross and how they do it to make the death last for days instead of hours.
I had to go to the studio now I have to clean the kitchen. I'll be back to type out the part.

[beautiful_mess38]

Ok here it is'

The sciptures tell us the Pontius Pilate didn't want to crucify Christ. He was even told by his wife that she'd had a dream that it would be wrong. He wanted to wash his hands of it, which he literally did, and sent Jesus back from his initail audience, saying that he could find no wrong in what theyoung prophet had done. Christ was condemned mainly because he was a danger to the traditional Judiac reiligion and the Romans didn't want any chance of an uprising to occur.

My research, however, unearthed a very plausible plot to save his life. He had many friends, some of whom were fairly wealthy, it's been surmised that a few of them bribed Pontius Pilate in order to save the Messiah's life. Joseph of Arimathea is believed to be the head of this conspiracy; coincidently, it was his tomb in which Jesus was laid. In fact, coincedence follows coincedence.
Consider the facts:

1.It normally took several days for people to die on the cross, which was why the Romans preferred it as a form of execution. However, Pontius Pilate made sure that Christ only had to spend a few hours on the cross because he was crucified just before the Jewish Sabbath Day, on which no one could be crucified.

2. Crucifixion victims had thier legs broken so that they couldnt lift themselves up to breathe. (Asphyxiation was the normal cause of death due to compression of the lungs while hanging) Jesus' legs were never broken, which allowed him to rest his feet and lift himself up.

3. Christ was a healthy young male of 33 and would have had a lot of stamina.

4. He was taken down from the cross by friends who put him in an above ground tomb, and he was never buried. Therefore, he would have been able to get ot of the tomb.

Skeptics will point out "But they pierced his side." Well, this was actually a symbolic scratch. The vinegar and gaul acted as an anesthetic that ended Jesus' pain and renedered him unconscious in an assimilated death.

In Luke 24:5, the angels in the tomb said to Mary and Mary Magdalene, "why do you look for the living among the dead?"

Our Lord was not stupid, and he knew that he had to get away from Jerusalem or risk being caught again. So, he left his disciples with instruction and went off with his mother and Mary Magdelene.

If you think it's terrible to even speculate that a true messiah and mesenger had a life with a woman who loved him, research it for yourself. read and peruse the Bible, the Gnostic texts, and the Gnostic Gospels that were found at Nag Hammadi and you'll find Christ's love for Mary Magdalene.

[jakobscalpel]

I need to read some Dan Brown, just to see what all the fuss is about. It sounds very entertaining. I love conspiracies, even if I don't believe them.

A few comments on everything:
1. If Jesus did not survive and did not sin by (oh no!) having sex with and impregnating Mary, why would the Illuminati need to exist? This is assuming, of course, that the Illuminati was formed to guard Jesus's lineage, which is also dubious at best.

2. If Jesus did not rise from the dead, doesn't that remove the basis of much of Christianity?

3. YJ, Harry Potter is not fiction when you are reading it. Then it is real.

4. Jesus did not exactly shy away from seeking attention. I can't imagine he would just slip off quietly into the French night.

5. I think all of this, including the bible and excluding Harry Potter, is fiction. But you already knew that.

I like the thread though, Messy. Did you like The Da Vinci Code then? Is it worth reading?

[beautiful_mess38]

I've read Angels and Demons first. Then I read the Da Vinci Code. And yes I loved the books.
Really makes you think and you can only think if you have an open mind.

[Californee Girl]

Im having trouble taking this all in.

Ive been reading on the Illuminati for quite some time. They most definitely do exist. In general they are the highest ranking Masons. The list of big names goes on forever. Political and religious leaders. Theres even a few celebrities. Big ones. They do have access to a lot of big information. I know Ive plugged the book a thousand times, but as far as Im concerned the best authority on the Masons is William Cooper. Look up the book, Behold, a Pale Horse.

I dont believe for a second that Jesus continued to live on Earth after resurrection. And I think its important to be very careful of what you read. The Da Vinci code threw a lot of good people off the right track because it mixed truth with fiction. Thats why I refused to read it. I think there comes a point in religious exploration where having an open mind can be your downfall. Or sometimes maybe even sometimes it takes an even more open mind just to have complete faith. Ive experienced it. Im sure that most christians have. I think its important to study the Bible, and when other books lead us from that we're in trouble.

[John @ 3300ft.]

I needed a good laugh today...

[Coldwolf]

I missed this whole thread. I will respond, but right now, I'm tired and a bit ...um....drunk.

[Mysteefied]

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[Mr. Man]

Ummm.... the origins of the Dan Brown book are from the non-fiction book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" by Michael Baigent, Henry Lincoln, and Richard Leigh, that I bought over 20 years ago. And who are now involved in a lawsuit with Dan Brown for copying their work which doesn't make sense to me, since it's all fiction anyway...right? Fascinating reading, but I can't believe anyone takes this seriously after 2000 years. Good books though.

[Mr. Man]

For more illumination about the "Illuminati" check out Robert Anton Wilson's books. He is probably the expert on that, and writes about it with a sense of wonder and humor. Or look at his website and related websites. He may even be one of them, but don't tell anyone I told you that. http://www.rawilson.com/main.shtml

[CatdaBrat]

Interesting about that lawsuit against Brown. Literary law is a big field. A lot of authors of fiction are turning to their lawyers these days, especially with all the "FanFic" sites full of stories about copyrighted characters, etc. Some authors aren't worried about it, but some are, such as JK Rowling, author of the Harry Potter books. Oops, I am getting off topic, sorry.

[Dawn]

I also believe He didn't die on the cross. The Bible has many contradictions in it. Hasn't anyone noticed...

[Mr. Man]

Yeah, but Jesus is sexy. It's a great career move. Just look at Bo Bice, it works for him.

[Dawn]

I like your sense of humor